In this exhilarating tale of transgression, justice and, of course, failure, our barely making ends meet OP sports a Full-Bore Bonanza annoying pos Immortal, Occultist's Pursuit set and no DOTA+ runes. Apparently Sniper is not their favourite hero and 50 matches do not warrant a spending spree. OP takes their Sniper mid to face the enemy Invoker and it just so happens that in a match with 8 Crusaders both OP and the enemy mid are Legends via party rating. With that perfect opportunity to test their skill against their own carbon copy in a straightforward even 1v1 matchup OP skills headshot level 1 to forfeit their trading advantage and allow Invoker to breeze past his weakest point. Skipping Take Aim altogether OP still manages to never use Shrapnel or rightclick Invoker until 4 minutes in. At which point it turns out attacking lvl 5 full hp full mana Invoker while hugging the side of the ramp is a bad idea.
OP gets 16 seconds to rethink their approach to laning. Without boots and levels in Take Aim dodging Invoker's combo becomes hard but voker decides that regen is for losers and trades his life for OP when CM ganks. Enemy Spectre disconnects a couple of times and OP flames the opposition for pausing because it's ranked and you win by whatever means necessary. Buying two blades before boots OP dies again to a random assortment of voker spells used without rhyme or reason and checks the scoreboard. A minute later OP makes a decision to trade with voker after he misses a tornado, despite the road to retreat being clear.
After respawining OP snatches the Tome of Knowledge from their teammates and gets the bright idea to get a raindrop. However the knowledge in the Tome is limited so poor Sniper joins a teamfight only to die to another meteor. A pre-Tome Sniper would have just taken one for the team, but the new enlightened one knows better and loudly proclaims "end" in allchat.
In a shocking turn of events OP tps to their safe jungle shrine and starts farming jungle, but a fight breaks out and a single level Take Aim no mobility items Sniper walks into the middle of three heroes and expectedly suffers a defeat. Twice in a row. To deal with mobility problem OP mutes their teammates. In combination with other great mobility options like MoM and Dragon Lance OP definitely has the tools to solve it but still faces a problem of dying in every fight even before the enemy Spectre ramps up.
At 25 mins Enemy take Roshan and go highground as an Invoker+spec lineup. OP dies to his Beyond Godlike! mid counterpart's combo again but eventually they wipe the enemy team after losing two rax. With five enemies dead OP returns to their happy place - safe jungle shrine and finishes their third mobility option - BKB and promptly kills an unsuspecting Invoker only to die to spec ult few seconds later.
It is all futile though. An Invoker Spectre lineup finishes the game at 36 minutes Proving once and for all that a party ranked Legend 2 Invoker is better than party ranked Legend 4 OP. 4 Crusaders in awe look up to their mid Legend Invoker, finishing the game with 21/4/18 score, highest BD and second highest HD, with a lixury Nullifier despite only having 99 cs at 36 mins, while the other 4 muted Crusaders pointlessly scream at their mid Legend Sniper, finishing with 13/15/6, the most deaths in the game, literally 0 BD but higher HD than that very Invoker.
"It is not the first darker piece that lets failure prevail, but never before was it presented in such a brutal way that still leaves enough space for everyone but the protagonist to figure out the solution" states Christopher Orr .
"This will not be a deep idea that goes down as a notable addition to the culture, but the lack of capacity for learning shown so brillianly here makes all the NPC memes eerily real" - laughs it off Ann Hornaday.
"At first you think it's going to deteriorate real fast despite going well at the beginning, but then they mute the critical voices of reason and you don't just think, you know it. And it's terrifying." - Trump-bashes Stephanie Zacharek.
"My eyes hurt. Can you stop forcing me to watch it? Please! I will never ever badmouth FBI on the Internet ever again!" - cries... wait, whom did I get this transcript from... Whoops, gotta go/.
Hmm, looks like something is wrong with that picture. Oh, wait, got it! Here's how it actually looks! https://imgur.com/a/ms8g0Hu Conviniently omitting a couple of recent embarassing losses are we? I would have missed it too and started congratulating you on your climb while warning you are still not there and shit, except I actually made the lengthy post about one of those losses of yours right there ^^^^.
And that one is quite a sight to behold. Losing mid against a fellow 1k in an even matchup, not using your skills, 30 cs at 10, pure 1v1 death and a massive feedspree afterwards. Out of position all the time, horrible itembuild, farming jungle after enemy got wiped. I do believe everyone here can say you are 1k with that kind of consistency. But we don't even need to, you MMR speaks for itself.
Hmm, looks like something is wrong with that picture. Oh, wait, got it! Here's how it actually looks! https://imgur.com/a/ms8g0Hu
Conviniently omitting a couple of recent embarassing losses are we? I would have missed it too and started congratulating you on your climb while warning you are still not there and shit, except I actually made the lengthy post about one of those losses of yours right there ^^^^.
And that one is quite a sight to behold. Losing mid against a fellow 1k in an even matchup, not using your skills, 30 cs at 10, pure 1v1 death and a massive feedspree afterwards. Out of position all the time, horrible itembuild, farming jungle after enemy got wiped. I do believe everyone here can say you are 1k with that kind of consistency. But we don't even need to, you MMR speaks for itself.
Doesnt change the fact that I won 90% of those games. If I was a 1k shitter I wouldnt be able to string together anything like that as a midlaner where if you lose ur lane ur likely to lose the game. Also check ur facts. That Invoker had a legend medal and played like one too.
ms spoopy care to explain why wemen are obsessed with having wemen heropools
mr.incel care to explain what relevance whats between my legs has to do with this thread?
If I was a 1k shitter I wouldnt be able to string together anything like that as a midlaner where if you lose ur lane ur likely to lose the game. Also check ur facts. That Invoker had a legend medal and played like one too.
What do you even mean. You say you are 3k mmr, while you have a solo of 1k. You face off against another person that is also around 1k solo, and around 3k party. You refute the argument and say that if you were 1k you wouldn't be able to have a 90% winrate in 20 something games. Yet, you turn your entire post on its head and say, Oh, I lost lane because invoker plays like a 3k.
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You say you aren't 1k, but then you say you can't be a person at the rank you proclaim to be. Whats that supposed to mean about you? The invoker is and can play like a legend, yet you are a legend but can't play at that level.
You literally end up arguing against yourself half the time by saying one thing and then giving an excuse that entirely opposes your original point.
That's like me (4k support) saying that I can play core at a 4k level also, I just don't practice lasthitting, which is why I can't outfarm other 4k core players in lane.
Except it was a close midlane. I recall him dying twice to me in the lane though I may be wrong but one would expect to narrowly lose a lane to someone of a similar rank 50% of the time would they not?
" Crusaders both OP and the enemy mid are Legends via party rating. With that perfect opportunity to test their skill against their own carbon copy in a straightforward even 1v1 matchup"
I can only imagine how OP would do in 3k mmr games in a long run. She's for sure not in low 1000 range or even mid, but I don't coinsider her to be much higher than flat 2k or low 2k: 2000 - 2400.
That Invoker had a legend medal and played like one too.
You have a legend Medal too. Two ranks higher as a matter of fact. So you should be their equal. And that Invoker was so bad it's not even funny. You do realise you outfarmed him and outdamaged him despite having the worst kind of game? He had 99 cs as a beyond godlike mid Invoker in a 36 minute game. If you lose 1v1 to that you are that.
Was that midlane close? Sure thing. You had 31 cs by 10, invoker had even less and he stood in shrapnel like a moron both times cm ganked for him. Were you 3k as you claim that lane would have no business being close.
And just so we are clear on numbers, you won 20 out of your last 25 solo ranked matches, that's quite a ways off the 90% winrate mark.
Tbh coinsidering she was sub 1k or flat 1k when she started, that puts her at approximately 1500 or 1600 at best : 1700 MMR.
If she's at least 3000 MMR, she's eventually gonna climb up to 2k+ MMR with at least 55-60% winrate, just like I could climb up to 3.8-4k on my smurf eventually with, let's say, 60% or above.
The thing is, even if she's actually right and she indeed belongs in 3k mmr - we will not see that, because she seeks for validation and not for proofs.
What makes her happy is someone of higher MMr approving she's 3k, not actually climbing and proving people wrong.
While there could be a legit chance she could climb to 3k MMR eventually - but with all due respect to her, eventually is not good enough.
I know many players (me included) who smurfed their way out of 1k and 2k mmr, and some better players even 3k/4k mmr with ease.
If we can do it, why she can't? 1700-2000 MMR (where she currently sits) is a MMR full of people thinking that they are 3k mmr, and therefore in order to climb out of that MMR range u have to be noticably better than them.
Btw, I trully hope that Valve will do something about whole medal-situation. It trully doesn't represent any measurment of skill, because people get delusional thinking that reaching certain medal means they play like a certain MMR - which is not actually completely true.
Either completely remove party MMR or merge it with solo(like in CS.GO)
There's many factors in order to be sure how much it'll take someone to climb from X mmr to X mmr.
For sure, if someone is, let's assume (again) 3.5k mmr and you put him in a 1.5k MMR, obviously the difference will be noticable and he'll likely climb up to 2.8k-3k with good winrate.
Also, going LC woods will now likely not be a way to go in any MMR, becuase that concept is just not good anymore at all.
If you go to my actual teammates here --> https://www.opendota.com/players/115526548/peers you will see for yourself that almost all of games were played with ppl I am friends with who are similar to my level. The guy you acting like is carrying me has played 10 games with me for a 50% winrate... hardly a carry is it? I have no out of the ordinary winrates in the peers section indicating a long grind and climb over many party mmr games instead of a sharp high winrate indicative of someone who is boosting their account. I think we are all guilty of partying with our superior friend in party mmr anyway cause who the fuck wants to risk their mmr playing with bad players?
I think we are all guilty of partying with our superior friend in party mmr
Are we? I do que with Divine/immortal players myself, but not because I want to get carried and boosted, but because I enjoy playing with them. Then again, it's not like I do it exclusively and it's not like my party MMR is inflated compared to my solo - it's actually lower atm 4.4k
As a matter of fact - if I had like 500-600 or above higher party MMR than solo, I'd freely admit I've earned it via party-mmr and until I reach that exact MMR on solo-que I will not call myself an Ancient player - for example.
cause who the fuck wants to risk their mmr playing with bad players?
Because why not? Unless you are using party MMR to hide your solo-mmr (cuz highe meral will show up) u have no reason to be afraid. Yes, playing with awful players is not good experience , but if you're trying to avoid players similar or worse than you because there's a chance you might lose rank that's just one more proof towards you hidding behind party-badge.
I mean, regardless of who you played with - you are actively trying to inflate your badge even more, because as I said - you seek for validation and not for proof.
Even tho you might've reached legend initially playing with friends you mentioned, that doesn't mean jackshit, it doesn't mean you
are legend 4 player - as a matter of fact, to be completely honest - it makes you 1k mmr solo and 3k mmr party player.
That's the best and most accurate way to judge your skill until proven otherwise
The best way to phrase is that the difference between higher mmr players is that they know how to play dota, while others think they know how to play dota at least in my personal opinion.
The amount of times I've seen my 1k friends say they know a concept, yet I watch a game of theirs and they don't understand it at all is probably what is keeping them in 1k (other than apathy/lack of commitment).
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Also @Vertoxity summed this up the best, this thread has just become a way to seek validation
Women who post online are a particular phenomenon. They've learned that they'll be treated differently and (sometimes subconsciously) they take it for granted. When you don't give them special treatment, shit hits the fan and they scream "sexist! incel! chauvinist peeg!!11".
Parma, whether you have a vagina or a dick, you're a fucking delusional retard, because of the things you believe and the fact you refuse to learn. If you grew a 10 inch donger right now, that wouldn't fix your mental deficiencies.
However, since you do seem to have a vagina, you'll be offended in a ways that are fit for women. Since women in gaming are a meme (well they really are, and even in sports their performance is hilarious compared to men's) you'll be treated as a meme. As a bad meme.
You aren't the first "teem hold me bakc!!11" person to post here, but since you're going to evade any reasonable discussion and not going to accept you're retarded and change your ways, people will just throw insults at you and leave.
As for assuming whether people have had relationships in their lives... Offline women are way different than online women. Offline women own the chasing game and can have something to provide. Online women bitching about a video game... Fuck no. You're as useless as any male of equal mental deficiency. You're just more of a meme because you have a vagina. And easy to trigger by that fact. Though, don't think that the way people treat you is also the way they treat women who aren't imbeciles.
After all, respecting women goes for women who are respectable.
actually didnt notice this thread has been here for 2 months pogchamp
first tim hol me bek thread to last this long...and they call it a misogynistic incel community smh
TOP TEN WEMEN RESPECTING COMMUNITIES
So at this moment OP has lost 4 out of 6 of their last solo ranked matches and has not played DOTA for 6 days. Is the spoopy realisation finally creeping in?
Bro, you’re beating a dead horse. Everyone and their mother knows OP deserves 1K, that 1K is easier than 3K, and that party MMR means jack diddley shit
Let people live in their delusions. We got our own lives to live. As long as I don’t come across parma as a teammate, which is all but a guarantee given regional difference and MMR difference, I won’t really give a flying fuck. You should do the same
Only thing that annoys me is that Dota shows parma to be higher skill than me because of the glorious bullshit of medals. I reiterate what I said before, they have to change the formula for computing medals, to not allow party MMR to carry medals this high.
Solutions:
1) different medal for party and solo
2) change the multipliers. Make the formula something like solo=1x multiplier, party=0.3x multiplier,(solo+party)/2=medal.
I mean, I KNOW that I could dumpster her skill-wise, but my e-pen!s is hurt by the flawed system showing parma to be better than me.
The real solution to medals is making solo only medals. There is also a fringe option of actually making MMR account for performance. Kinda hard to do, needs to include Net worth and Exp to dmg dealt/CC provided ratios normalised by the hero skillset/itembuild and adjusted by the MMR difference between the teams and MMR divergence within the team. Fit in useful warding ratio and tanking the gank factor. Making this kind of an algorithm fair and abuse-proof is a long and arduous work, can't blame a small indie company(tm) for sticking with a first approximation iterative one.
@ KingY There was a curious case of a Treant spammer back when this topic was discussed on Playdota forums. IIRC the 3k something guy got handed a 5k acc to prove he would fall back to 3k and he managed to somewhat maintain the rank over 100+ games by living armoring the living shit out of his cores. With OP being a reasonable well adjusted individual with no learning disabilities whatsoever I believe they would have no problem figuring this solution out.
This looks promising, maybe a full scale snarkathon is possible based on those. That archon stats look pretty smurf, outside of riki of course. But needs more confirmation that is indeed kuki. I wouldn't want to look dumb posting unsubstantiated claims into this pillar of transparency of a thread.
Also even based on the OPs OP it's clear that OP lul every time. Cookie morph omegalul can only be a pleasant addition.
All this toxicness in answers is better than a british breakfast for an ebola player like me *_*.
If we come back to some main topics raised in this post:
- About the "I'm 3k with my mates and 1k solo that's not fair" :
What's the difference between the two situations ? COMMUNICATION, SOLIDARITY AND EXECUTION. I know it hurts, but sometimes you must be willing to:
* Communicate with toxic players even if they flame, direct the messages around objectives and ennemies
* Make jokes
* Use salve/clari/bottle on your toxic allies, it will cure them in both senses. A walk of shame in early game can lose a game
* Understand your teammates pattern and how/when they will initiate (ally ES hidden with blink in the treeline with 5 ennemies near pushing t1 or t2 will greed echo slam soon most likely)
If you follow this recipe even ebola boys will commend you after the game.
- The "Me against my team syndrom" (highlighted by your all chat flaming to your team):
* There are already 5 players in the ennemy team and, according to you, 4 ennemies in your team : dont be the 10th.
* Dota is not dragon ball Z, flaming your allies won't make them play like Miracle~ (or teach me)
* Don't expect anything from your team but give everything you can in the win (without feeding nor rekting your networth buying wards your homeless_poor_supp can't buy)
- BYOFWR (Buy Your Own F Wards Reasonably):
* Your supps 1st duty is to get your greedy_instapick_carrywanabee_spectre online which they will most probably camp, perma dive, etc... Don't expect him to buy your wards as he will be HOMELESS AND POOR. Don't expect from him to rotate mid without boots as he is even bootsless. Pinging "we need wards" doesn't increase networth btw.
* [Mid scenario] You know where the ennemy put his ward and where to sentry
* [Mid scenario] You know what area you want to secure (SS/SF creep stacks, brood counter jungling, camping their jungler, etc...)
* [Mid scenario] You've seen ennemies ganking patterns for 5 minutes and the best place to ward
* [Mid scenario] 180g (sentry + obs) - 100g (ennemy obs bounty) < 200g (Death loss) + 30 sec without farming
* [Mid scenario] You can flame the squishy_ennemy_clinkz_noob_ulti_ranged_creep_lololol
- Drafting:
* COMMUNICATE : what does your team want to draft, what are they confortable with, is voker_spammer_grimorum/sumiya_wanabe_300ms_ping confident against sniper_player_spammer_who_rekts_voker_90%_matchup according to dotabuff ?
* ADAPT to your team: what does your team lack off, what synergies can you bring, can the cores 1 & 2 get online with our lineup ? Don't go for a one-target pick if you have a DS first pick in your lineup
* ADAPT to your ennemies: Every pick relies on some mechanics that can be countered. Chaos Rift makes CK stack with his illus for instance => lich ulti aghs, Husk relies on being low hp to deal more DPS => AA pick, etc...
* Look ahead : Will you rely on teamfighting, laning, ganking, pushing ? Would game end early or late ?
* 1st - 2nd pick order, depending on which team picked first : go for versatile flex picks that have a good teamfighting/farming/laning/carrying transition/wave clearing cap (even as a supp cause wards are not free unlike most midlaners think). Example : winter wyvern can lane (1st spell to harass and 3rd to heal), wave clear & farm (2nd spell), teamfight and can transition to carryish if think goes wrong.
* 3rd - 4th pick order : Counters and synergies drafts. Punish this meepo with ember/ES/WW.
* 5th pick order : Counter (ennemy PL last pick?), game maker or hardcore carry.
- Items build:
* Early kit : low prices items that will help you survive/teamfight until midgame (ex : sumiya 3*ring protection VS mid PA)
* Getting online & power levels : Blink on ES for example. https://www.dotabuff.com/blog/2015-10-20-understanding-power-levels * Game evolution : Building against the threats (OP got flamed on his no defensive items behavior). PA fed ? BM, solar crest or ghost scepter depending on your drafts
* BKB
* Counter item : Spirit vessel VS alche.
* Look ahead : adapt to the items the ennemies will most likely build. Example : get something to pop linkens (crit that scales => bloodthorn) as LC instead of this useless mid-game desolator
- MISC:
* Check singsing stream and you'll see that losing can also be fun
* Spam skillcap picks in normal and overthrow (not ranked) matchmaking to improve yourself. Example : playing voker as he deserves requires good positioning, micro, macro, execution and map awareness (sunstrike). Grimorum (golem denying one rune vs storm *_*) and Sumiya give good advice on mid lane in general.
* Establish a pool of confort versatile picks and train on signature counters (Example : Ember, WW or ES against illu/aggro picks)
* Establish a pool of winning/cores picks that can synergize/counter/survive depending on the drafting of both teams
This post is not exhaustive (CS and positioning have been already highlighted several times i guess) and some advices may be improved/complemented but these should be enough to get out of 1k MMR...
Shall we put some effort to bring life back in here?
I'm doing my part:
Match ID 4167540498 https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4167540498 happened and it's a must watch if you are having a bad day.
In this exhilarating tale of transgression, justice and, of course, failure, our barely making ends meet OP sports a Full-Bore Bonanza annoying pos Immortal, Occultist's Pursuit set and no DOTA+ runes. Apparently Sniper is not their favourite hero and 50 matches do not warrant a spending spree. OP takes their Sniper mid to face the enemy Invoker and it just so happens that in a match with 8 Crusaders both OP and the enemy mid are Legends via party rating. With that perfect opportunity to test their skill against their own carbon copy in a straightforward even 1v1 matchup OP skills headshot level 1 to forfeit their trading advantage and allow Invoker to breeze past his weakest point. Skipping Take Aim altogether OP still manages to never use Shrapnel or rightclick Invoker until 4 minutes in. At which point it turns out attacking lvl 5 full hp full mana Invoker while hugging the side of the ramp is a bad idea.
OP gets 16 seconds to rethink their approach to laning. Without boots and levels in Take Aim dodging Invoker's combo becomes hard but voker decides that regen is for losers and trades his life for OP when CM ganks. Enemy Spectre disconnects a couple of times and OP flames the opposition for pausing because it's ranked and you win by whatever means necessary. Buying two blades before boots OP dies again to a random assortment of voker spells used without rhyme or reason and checks the scoreboard. A minute later OP makes a decision to trade with voker after he misses a tornado, despite the road to retreat being clear.
After respawining OP snatches the Tome of Knowledge from their teammates and gets the bright idea to get a raindrop. However the knowledge in the Tome is limited so poor Sniper joins a teamfight only to die to another meteor. A pre-Tome Sniper would have just taken one for the team, but the new enlightened one knows better and loudly proclaims "end" in allchat.
In a shocking turn of events OP tps to their safe jungle shrine and starts farming jungle, but a fight breaks out and a single level Take Aim no mobility items Sniper walks into the middle of three heroes and expectedly suffers a defeat. Twice in a row. To deal with mobility problem OP mutes their teammates. In combination with other great mobility options like MoM and Dragon Lance OP definitely has the tools to solve it but still faces a problem of dying in every fight even before the enemy Spectre ramps up.
At 25 mins Enemy take Roshan and go highground as an Invoker+spec lineup. OP dies to his Beyond Godlike! mid counterpart's combo again but eventually they wipe the enemy team after losing two rax. With five enemies dead OP returns to their happy place - safe jungle shrine and finishes their third mobility option - BKB and promptly kills an unsuspecting Invoker only to die to spec ult few seconds later.
It is all futile though. An Invoker Spectre lineup finishes the game at 36 minutes Proving once and for all that a party ranked Legend 2 Invoker is better than party ranked Legend 4 OP. 4 Crusaders in awe look up to their mid Legend Invoker, finishing the game with 21/4/18 score, highest BD and second highest HD, with a lixury Nullifier despite only having 99 cs at 36 mins, while the other 4 muted Crusaders pointlessly scream at their mid Legend Sniper, finishing with 13/15/6, the most deaths in the game, literally 0 BD but higher HD than that very Invoker.
"It is not the first darker piece that lets failure prevail, but never before was it presented in such a brutal way that still leaves enough space for everyone but the protagonist to figure out the solution" states Christopher Orr .
"This will not be a deep idea that goes down as a notable addition to the culture, but the lack of capacity for learning shown so brillianly here makes all the NPC memes eerily real" - laughs it off Ann Hornaday.
"At first you think it's going to deteriorate real fast despite going well at the beginning, but then they mute the critical voices of reason and you don't just think, you know it. And it's terrifying." - Trump-bashes Stephanie Zacharek.
"My eyes hurt. Can you stop forcing me to watch it? Please! I will never ever badmouth FBI on the Internet ever again!" - cries... wait, whom did I get this transcript from... Whoops, gotta go/.
Lol 1k is easier lel, can u ultra kill with supp who barely has no item in 3k? Yah , i do that on my smurf 1k lel
I wept.
Lately lag has been messing with my games so I just go to dotabuff to learn about the patch, saw this thread so here goes...
YOU JUST GOT BOOSTED..
And I bet you suck.... :I
https://gyazo.com/fe9545a6f1a5daf994e2717a148cbe33 <-- this should speak for itself honestly. I dont think anyone here can truly say im 1k with this kind of consistency
consistent wemen pog
Hmm, looks like something is wrong with that picture. Oh, wait, got it! Here's how it actually looks! https://imgur.com/a/ms8g0Hu
Conviniently omitting a couple of recent embarassing losses are we? I would have missed it too and started congratulating you on your climb while warning you are still not there and shit, except I actually made the lengthy post about one of those losses of yours right there ^^^^.
And that one is quite a sight to behold. Losing mid against a fellow 1k in an even matchup, not using your skills, 30 cs at 10, pure 1v1 death and a massive feedspree afterwards. Out of position all the time, horrible itembuild, farming jungle after enemy got wiped. I do believe everyone here can say you are 1k with that kind of consistency. But we don't even need to, you MMR speaks for itself.
ms spoopy care to explain why wemen are obsessed with having wemen heropools
@OP
What do you even mean. You say you are 3k mmr, while you have a solo of 1k. You face off against another person that is also around 1k solo, and around 3k party. You refute the argument and say that if you were 1k you wouldn't be able to have a 90% winrate in 20 something games. Yet, you turn your entire post on its head and say, Oh, I lost lane because invoker plays like a 3k.
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You say you aren't 1k, but then you say you can't be a person at the rank you proclaim to be. Whats that supposed to mean about you? The invoker is and can play like a legend, yet you are a legend but can't play at that level.
You literally end up arguing against yourself half the time by saying one thing and then giving an excuse that entirely opposes your original point.
That's like me (4k support) saying that I can play core at a 4k level also, I just don't practice lasthitting, which is why I can't outfarm other 4k core players in lane.
Except it was a close midlane. I recall him dying twice to me in the lane though I may be wrong but one would expect to narrowly lose a lane to someone of a similar rank 50% of the time would they not?
" Crusaders both OP and the enemy mid are Legends via party rating. With that perfect opportunity to test their skill against their own carbon copy in a straightforward even 1v1 matchup"
I laughed. : d
@ on topic
I'm @ 4.5k here and I still lose games on my smurf in low 3k mmr bracket: https://www.dotabuff.com/players/394531047
I can only imagine how OP would do in 3k mmr games in a long run. She's for sure not in low 1000 range or even mid, but I don't coinsider her to be much higher than flat 2k or low 2k: 2000 - 2400.
Also sweet that this topic is back!
You have a legend Medal too. Two ranks higher as a matter of fact. So you should be their equal. And that Invoker was so bad it's not even funny. You do realise you outfarmed him and outdamaged him despite having the worst kind of game? He had 99 cs as a beyond godlike mid Invoker in a 36 minute game. If you lose 1v1 to that you are that.
Was that midlane close? Sure thing. You had 31 cs by 10, invoker had even less and he stood in shrapnel like a moron both times cm ganked for him. Were you 3k as you claim that lane would have no business being close.
And just so we are clear on numbers, you won 20 out of your last 25 solo ranked matches, that's quite a ways off the 90% winrate mark.
Tbh coinsidering she was sub 1k or flat 1k when she started, that puts her at approximately 1500 or 1600 at best : 1700 MMR.
If she's at least 3000 MMR, she's eventually gonna climb up to 2k+ MMR with at least 55-60% winrate, just like I could climb up to 3.8-4k on my smurf eventually with, let's say, 60% or above.
The thing is, even if she's actually right and she indeed belongs in 3k mmr - we will not see that, because she seeks for validation and not for proofs.
What makes her happy is someone of higher MMr approving she's 3k, not actually climbing and proving people wrong.
While there could be a legit chance she could climb to 3k MMR eventually - but with all due respect to her, eventually is not good enough.
I know many players (me included) who smurfed their way out of 1k and 2k mmr, and some better players even 3k/4k mmr with ease.
If we can do it, why she can't? 1700-2000 MMR (where she currently sits) is a MMR full of people thinking that they are 3k mmr, and therefore in order to climb out of that MMR range u have to be noticably better than them.
Btw, I trully hope that Valve will do something about whole medal-situation. It trully doesn't represent any measurment of skill, because people get delusional thinking that reaching certain medal means they play like a certain MMR - which is not actually completely true.
Either completely remove party MMR or merge it with solo(like in CS.GO)
The bottom line is, though, if you're really a 3k+ skill player you'd climb to 3k in no time.
I did it by spamming legion jungle basically from 1.1k to 3.7k
I threw a lot of games and played like shit, and still managed to reach VHS.
Depends.
If you are 3.5k and you throw yourself into 2.8k avg. games you will not climb to 3k+ in no time.
As I said, I'm 4.5k on my main currently and I still lose plenty of games on my smurf in low 3k range:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/394531047
There's many factors in order to be sure how much it'll take someone to climb from X mmr to X mmr.
For sure, if someone is, let's assume (again) 3.5k mmr and you put him in a 1.5k MMR, obviously the difference will be noticable and he'll likely climb up to 2.8k-3k with good winrate.
Also, going LC woods will now likely not be a way to go in any MMR, becuase that concept is just not good anymore at all.
Btw, on topic:
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/212122581
This is the player our beloved Parma is playing with right now in a 5-man stack.
Obviusly a smurf and obviously not legend-tier player. Then she'll come and say again smt like:
"my dear friend who's archon II and me climbed our way out of 1k and 2k mmr playing party as a stack of 2"
xd
If you go to my actual teammates here --> https://www.opendota.com/players/115526548/peers you will see for yourself that almost all of games were played with ppl I am friends with who are similar to my level. The guy you acting like is carrying me has played 10 games with me for a 50% winrate... hardly a carry is it? I have no out of the ordinary winrates in the peers section indicating a long grind and climb over many party mmr games instead of a sharp high winrate indicative of someone who is boosting their account. I think we are all guilty of partying with our superior friend in party mmr anyway cause who the fuck wants to risk their mmr playing with bad players?
Are we? I do que with Divine/immortal players myself, but not because I want to get carried and boosted, but because I enjoy playing with them. Then again, it's not like I do it exclusively and it's not like my party MMR is inflated compared to my solo - it's actually lower atm 4.4k
As a matter of fact - if I had like 500-600 or above higher party MMR than solo, I'd freely admit I've earned it via party-mmr and until I reach that exact MMR on solo-que I will not call myself an Ancient player - for example.
Because why not? Unless you are using party MMR to hide your solo-mmr (cuz highe meral will show up) u have no reason to be afraid. Yes, playing with awful players is not good experience , but if you're trying to avoid players similar or worse than you because there's a chance you might lose rank that's just one more proof towards you hidding behind party-badge.
I mean, regardless of who you played with - you are actively trying to inflate your badge even more, because as I said - you seek for validation and not for proof.
Even tho you might've reached legend initially playing with friends you mentioned, that doesn't mean jackshit, it doesn't mean you
are legend 4 player - as a matter of fact, to be completely honest - it makes you 1k mmr solo and 3k mmr party player.
That's the best and most accurate way to judge your skill until proven otherwise
The best way to phrase is that the difference between higher mmr players is that they know how to play dota, while others think they know how to play dota at least in my personal opinion.
The amount of times I've seen my 1k friends say they know a concept, yet I watch a game of theirs and they don't understand it at all is probably what is keeping them in 1k (other than apathy/lack of commitment).
Edit**
Also @Vertoxity summed this up the best, this thread has just become a way to seek validation
If you think our Parma is having issues with realising she's not 3k yet, wait until you see this guy:
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/9qiwy9/200_hours_vs_4000_hours_a_story_of_mmr/
His MMR is literally flat 1k and he has a party of Ancient 5 so almost 5k or high 4k.
Ofc, he's still losing in guardian tier games.. xddddddddd
actually calling me an incel when all i did was ask why wemen have wemen heropools..... classic wemen
actually assuming things about me from things i say online......like i said...classic wemen
There's something that needs to be said here.
Women who post online are a particular phenomenon. They've learned that they'll be treated differently and (sometimes subconsciously) they take it for granted. When you don't give them special treatment, shit hits the fan and they scream "sexist! incel! chauvinist peeg!!11".
Parma, whether you have a vagina or a dick, you're a fucking delusional retard, because of the things you believe and the fact you refuse to learn. If you grew a 10 inch donger right now, that wouldn't fix your mental deficiencies.
However, since you do seem to have a vagina, you'll be offended in a ways that are fit for women. Since women in gaming are a meme (well they really are, and even in sports their performance is hilarious compared to men's) you'll be treated as a meme. As a bad meme.
You aren't the first "teem hold me bakc!!11" person to post here, but since you're going to evade any reasonable discussion and not going to accept you're retarded and change your ways, people will just throw insults at you and leave.
As for assuming whether people have had relationships in their lives... Offline women are way different than online women. Offline women own the chasing game and can have something to provide. Online women bitching about a video game... Fuck no. You're as useless as any male of equal mental deficiency. You're just more of a meme because you have a vagina. And easy to trigger by that fact. Though, don't think that the way people treat you is also the way they treat women who aren't imbeciles.
After all, respecting women goes for women who are respectable.
RESPECT WAMEN
ALL WEMEN ARE QUEEN
p.s. mayushi how grow 10 inch donger...asking for a friend
I would tell you but I don't want to spread toxic masculinity.
pepehands
actually didnt notice this thread has been here for 2 months pogchamp
first tim hol me bek thread to last this long...and they call it a misogynistic incel community smh
TOP TEN WEMEN RESPECTING COMMUNITIES
Yet the OP is still sub 1k.
but wat about the genderless people like me? are they a meme?
I identify myself as a truck
as far as humans go, there are as many genders as there are types of genitals
wat
i no human
So at this moment OP has lost 4 out of 6 of their last solo ranked matches and has not played DOTA for 6 days. Is the spoopy realisation finally creeping in?
Bro, you’re beating a dead horse. Everyone and their mother knows OP deserves 1K, that 1K is easier than 3K, and that party MMR means jack diddley shit
Let people live in their delusions. We got our own lives to live. As long as I don’t come across parma as a teammate, which is all but a guarantee given regional difference and MMR difference, I won’t really give a flying fuck. You should do the same
Only thing that annoys me is that Dota shows parma to be higher skill than me because of the glorious bullshit of medals. I reiterate what I said before, they have to change the formula for computing medals, to not allow party MMR to carry medals this high.
Solutions:
1) different medal for party and solo
2) change the multipliers. Make the formula something like solo=1x multiplier, party=0.3x multiplier,(solo+party)/2=medal.
I mean, I KNOW that I could dumpster her skill-wise, but my e-pen!s is hurt by the flawed system showing parma to be better than me.
OP give me your acc for fun plz so I can show you how to climb. And then you show me how to fall afterwards. It's for science & my fun.
haunted thread
halloween edition (extremely spoopy)
@ETdAWESOME
What a way to dehumanize OP!The real solution to medals is making solo only medals. There is also a fringe option of actually making MMR account for performance. Kinda hard to do, needs to include Net worth and Exp to dmg dealt/CC provided ratios normalised by the hero skillset/itembuild and adjusted by the MMR difference between the teams and MMR divergence within the team. Fit in useful warding ratio and tanking the gank factor. Making this kind of an algorithm fair and abuse-proof is a long and arduous work, can't blame a small indie company(tm) for sticking with a first approximation iterative one.
@ KingY There was a curious case of a Treant spammer back when this topic was discussed on Playdota forums. IIRC the 3k something guy got handed a 5k acc to prove he would fall back to 3k and he managed to somewhat maintain the rank over 100+ games by living armoring the living shit out of his cores. With OP being a reasonable well adjusted individual with no learning disabilities whatsoever I believe they would have no problem figuring this solution out.
i just checked op actually lost with cookie
cookie was playing on archon smurf...
how tf
not sure if op lul or cookie morph omegalul
obviously kuki threw on purpose
right?
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check the archon morph player heropool and winrates and previous steam names
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4185051813
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/4185088796
actual 50 % winrate with cookie kek
This looks promising, maybe a full scale snarkathon is possible based on those. That archon stats look pretty smurf, outside of riki of course. But needs more confirmation that is indeed kuki. I wouldn't want to look dumb posting unsubstantiated claims into this pillar of transparency of a thread.
Also even based on the OPs OP it's clear that OP lul every time. Cookie morph omegalul can only be a pleasant addition.
That is cookie. What's the issue here?
All this toxicness in answers is better than a british breakfast for an ebola player like me *_*.
If we come back to some main topics raised in this post:
- About the "I'm 3k with my mates and 1k solo that's not fair" :
What's the difference between the two situations ? COMMUNICATION, SOLIDARITY AND EXECUTION. I know it hurts, but sometimes you must be willing to:
* Communicate with toxic players even if they flame, direct the messages around objectives and ennemies
* Make jokes
* Use salve/clari/bottle on your toxic allies, it will cure them in both senses. A walk of shame in early game can lose a game
* Understand your teammates pattern and how/when they will initiate (ally ES hidden with blink in the treeline with 5 ennemies near pushing t1 or t2 will greed echo slam soon most likely)
If you follow this recipe even ebola boys will commend you after the game.
- The "Me against my team syndrom" (highlighted by your all chat flaming to your team):
* There are already 5 players in the ennemy team and, according to you, 4 ennemies in your team : dont be the 10th.
* Dota is not dragon ball Z, flaming your allies won't make them play like Miracle~ (or teach me)
* Don't expect anything from your team but give everything you can in the win (without feeding nor rekting your networth buying wards your homeless_poor_supp can't buy)
- BYOFWR (Buy Your Own F Wards Reasonably):
* Your supps 1st duty is to get your greedy_instapick_carrywanabee_spectre online which they will most probably camp, perma dive, etc... Don't expect him to buy your wards as he will be HOMELESS AND POOR. Don't expect from him to rotate mid without boots as he is even bootsless. Pinging "we need wards" doesn't increase networth btw.
* [Mid scenario] You know where the ennemy put his ward and where to sentry
* [Mid scenario] You know what area you want to secure (SS/SF creep stacks, brood counter jungling, camping their jungler, etc...)
* [Mid scenario] You've seen ennemies ganking patterns for 5 minutes and the best place to ward
* [Mid scenario] 180g (sentry + obs) - 100g (ennemy obs bounty) < 200g (Death loss) + 30 sec without farming
* [Mid scenario] You can flame the squishy_ennemy_clinkz_noob_ulti_ranged_creep_lololol
- Drafting:
* COMMUNICATE : what does your team want to draft, what are they confortable with, is voker_spammer_grimorum/sumiya_wanabe_300ms_ping confident against sniper_player_spammer_who_rekts_voker_90%_matchup according to dotabuff ?
* ADAPT to your team: what does your team lack off, what synergies can you bring, can the cores 1 & 2 get online with our lineup ? Don't go for a one-target pick if you have a DS first pick in your lineup
* ADAPT to your ennemies: Every pick relies on some mechanics that can be countered. Chaos Rift makes CK stack with his illus for instance => lich ulti aghs, Husk relies on being low hp to deal more DPS => AA pick, etc...
* Look ahead : Will you rely on teamfighting, laning, ganking, pushing ? Would game end early or late ?
* 1st - 2nd pick order, depending on which team picked first : go for versatile flex picks that have a good teamfighting/farming/laning/carrying transition/wave clearing cap (even as a supp cause wards are not free unlike most midlaners think). Example : winter wyvern can lane (1st spell to harass and 3rd to heal), wave clear & farm (2nd spell), teamfight and can transition to carryish if think goes wrong.
* 3rd - 4th pick order : Counters and synergies drafts. Punish this meepo with ember/ES/WW.
* 5th pick order : Counter (ennemy PL last pick?), game maker or hardcore carry.
- Items build:
* Early kit : low prices items that will help you survive/teamfight until midgame (ex : sumiya 3*ring protection VS mid PA)
* Getting online & power levels : Blink on ES for example. https://www.dotabuff.com/blog/2015-10-20-understanding-power-levels
* Game evolution : Building against the threats (OP got flamed on his no defensive items behavior). PA fed ? BM, solar crest or ghost scepter depending on your drafts
* BKB
* Counter item : Spirit vessel VS alche.
* Look ahead : adapt to the items the ennemies will most likely build. Example : get something to pop linkens (crit that scales => bloodthorn) as LC instead of this useless mid-game desolator
- MISC:
* Check singsing stream and you'll see that losing can also be fun
* Spam skillcap picks in normal and overthrow (not ranked) matchmaking to improve yourself. Example : playing voker as he deserves requires good positioning, micro, macro, execution and map awareness (sunstrike). Grimorum (golem denying one rune vs storm *_*) and Sumiya give good advice on mid lane in general.
* Establish a pool of confort versatile picks and train on signature counters (Example : Ember, WW or ES against illu/aggro picks)
* Establish a pool of winning/cores picks that can synergize/counter/survive depending on the drafting of both teams
This post is not exhaustive (CS and positioning have been already highlighted several times i guess) and some advices may be improved/complemented but these should be enough to get out of 1k MMR...
Hope it will help,
Somehow lost with Cookie on a smurf account. Welp
Parma was drunk, tired and not taking the game seriously. She could have ended that game in 10 minutes if she tried.