xddd I`m sorry to say that but is hilarious watching archons, legends , and what the fuck is that brown medal even? Argueing as they were good at the game HAHAHAHA It´s hilarious. Answering the questiong there is not much to do on a 1vs1 with any hero if sf is decent he will zone up and outfarm basiclly anyone (TA maybe the only exception). How to win against him? GANKS yes that´s it appearently the people who has most commends on this tread are low ranks and since people have no clue of how to rotate in that brackets Im guesssing thats why they struggle so much against sf but ganking is the only way to shut him down and even when u do so u gotta keep pressuring or he will just lock up into the jungle for10 minutes and come back as a monster so yea its hard to dealt with sf, impossible even at 1vs1 but dota is a team game my potato rank friends.
Both are more or less trash. Just because you're better than someone who's already bad at something, doesn't always make you good at something. It just makes you beter than someone who's worse than you.
And that's allright, I would feel great to be 5k, but only because I feel good about being flat 5k, that doesnt give me right to call worse people than me bad.
i pick clinkz when i have to mid vs a sf
my mid play is pretty poor tho, u dunno alot about those matchups. sf seems to suffer vs the high amount of physical harassment with the threat of a kill whenever hes out of position at level 4+
+ clinkz forces him to think twice if he wants to leave the lane with the possibility of burst tower dmg
^clinx can push the tower but not the lane which is his weakness
There r a lot of heroes who offer kill potential on sf but only with the help of a roamer which is why the POS 4 pick is the best way to counter sf
idk i tried TA vs sf matchup against rab8 (~rank200) and i lost as TA and it does make sense to me that sf doesnt have hard time against ta, especially after raze changes
sf has high movement speed and the best turnrate, which makes it slightly easier to dodge psiblades too. Just need to try to keep getting those rightclicks in and ta has to back off or get triplerazed lol
I remember the time when i used to first pick sf and always got outlaned by a fucking puck, ta, and qop (circa 2015 iirc), then i git gud and suddenly those shits is not a problem anymore
@feelgood (I forgot ur actual name)
What u said is exactly correct
Imo it's not the tinker that's the problem, it's the roaming support that's makes life so hard
Never really understood the point of these 'who is better mid/carry/offlane?' threads. Ignoring that there are eight other heroes in the game is as retarded as asking who is the best hero without items/abilities.
i felt like tinker deserved the nerf tho,was pretty ungankable when he got boots already
laser miss+march/rocket +1 support tp ing or maybe even 2
pretty much make all ganks become counterganks
tinker destroys sf in the laning phase and usually can only lose when supports rotate to gank, another at the moment is kunkka with his tidebringer just recently buffed
i will say my PERSONAL opinion (if i play these heroes i will own sf)
Tier 1(i win lane): TA and viper
Tier 2(a lot of kill potential and pressure): qop and lina
xddd I`m sorry to say that but is hilarious watching archons, legends , and what the fuck is that brown medal even? Argueing as they were good at the game HAHAHAHA It´s hilarious. Answering the questiong there is not much to do on a 1vs1 with any hero if sf is decent he will zone up and outfarm basiclly anyone (TA maybe the only exception). How to win against him? GANKS yes that´s it appearently the people who has most commends on this tread are low ranks and since people have no clue of how to rotate in that brackets Im guesssing thats why they struggle so much against sf but ganking is the only way to shut him down and even when u do so u gotta keep pressuring or he will just lock up into the jungle for10 minutes and come back as a monster so yea its hard to dealt with sf, impossible even at 1vs1 but dota is a team game my potato rank friends.
hehehe legends UGH. smh filthy legends
This thread is a shitfest just jump ship.
ta and ember dude ez
++ sick of """legends""" and (((ancients))) giving advice on this forum
(im divine 0 btw! 😤)
cringe thread XD
i thought ywn quit dotabuff
thank you inxac
nooo i'm a fan of ywn
Suggesting ember against sf LUL
pick pa nuke him with dagger
Thinking flat 5ks are actually good at this game. Lul
but wat about flat 3ks
Both are more or less trash. Just because you're better than someone who's already bad at something, doesn't always make you good at something. It just makes you beter than someone who's worse than you.
And that's allright, I would feel great to be 5k, but only because I feel good about being flat 5k, that doesnt give me right to call worse people than me bad.
Abaddon, the lord of Avernus
i pick clinkz when i have to mid vs a sf
my mid play is pretty poor tho, u dunno alot about those matchups. sf seems to suffer vs the high amount of physical harassment with the threat of a kill whenever hes out of position at level 4+
+ clinkz forces him to think twice if he wants to leave the lane with the possibility of burst tower dmg
^clinx can push the tower but not the lane which is his weakness
There r a lot of heroes who offer kill potential on sf but only with the help of a roamer which is why the POS 4 pick is the best way to counter sf
Filthy heralds stop giving your shit advices.
finally found a game with me as sf against a high ranked tinker (ranked 150)
just following up that tinker sf debate shit going on here
https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3744881802
so no, tinker does not destroy sf
idk i tried TA vs sf matchup against rab8 (~rank200) and i lost as TA and it does make sense to me that sf doesnt have hard time against ta, especially after raze changes
sf has high movement speed and the best turnrate, which makes it slightly easier to dodge psiblades too. Just need to try to keep getting those rightclicks in and ta has to back off or get triplerazed lol
Drow ranger
Well to be fair ,acording to Dotabuff SF actually has slight advantage over Tinker, so seems like you guys are right.
Me myself I always had hard time dealing with Tinker as SF, because it's always Tinker + some roaming SB or Pudge..
Git gud.
It actually depends on how gud the player is. Let say sf is me and the enemy is any of you. Then sf wins if nogank hands down
^this.
I remember the time when i used to first pick sf and always got outlaned by a fucking puck, ta, and qop (circa 2015 iirc), then i git gud and suddenly those shits is not a problem anymore
od is pretty decent. can be bad against magic sf build if youre behind tho
but yea sf kinda beats almost all 1v1
Zeus is usually pretty easy to win vs SF with.
I mostly win games vs SF as a roamer. If you can get behind him on smoke, he's pretty much dead everytime.
@feelgood (I forgot ur actual name)
What u said is exactly correct
Imo it's not the tinker that's the problem, it's the roaming support that's makes life so hard
Never really understood the point of these 'who is better mid/carry/offlane?' threads. Ignoring that there are eight other heroes in the game is as retarded as asking who is the best hero without items/abilities.
Just pick sniper and max shrapnel HOHOHAHA
tinkers SO fucking slow now christ
haha you just got friccin’ arc wardened! post to 5 subreddits or your favorite hero will lose 25 movespeed
^honestly
I'm waiting till they make cm have sub 200 ms
If you think abt it, having less movespeed means percent movespeed slows take away less static movespeed, making them less effecient
if you stop moving you counter slows completely
i felt like tinker deserved the nerf tho,was pretty ungankable when he got boots already
laser miss+march/rocket +1 support tp ing or maybe even 2
pretty much make all ganks become counterganks
now you can surprise him atl evel 1 moar
compared to ta6 puck storm6 qop?
biased btw
idk mine is biased too,i literally hate tinker on the enemy team
good if on my team tho,as long the guy knows marching roshan is a good idea
tinker destroys sf in the laning phase and usually can only lose when supports rotate to gank, another at the moment is kunkka with his tidebringer just recently buffed
out cs or out harass him in the first 3 levels
or just call for ganks and hope the enemy's supports are braindead enough to not tp in to help