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z_z

    What's much better Battlefury at min 15 or Diffusal blade at min 15 , why do people prefer diffu rather than bf on jugg this days , i think bf is still much good because u can flash farm, any thoughts guys :rage:

    Snu

      Never get Battlefury.
      If you get a hardcore farming item, get Maelstorm.

      Jugg will benefit more from Agility items (and general attack speed items) than he will from raw damage (in most cases).

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      z_z

        yeah, i don't know man i really suck on jugg 22.22% wr like i dont know whats happening. i suck

        1-IceTea 🌟

          Why only this 2 options when I can 13mit BF?

          Puay

            I wonder how can you compare a 4500 gold item with 3150 gold item at the same minute mark....🤔

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            z_z

              @fattydevil Hahahahahahahahah i dont know man ahahahahahah

              z_z

                Seemsbad :(

                chicken spook,,,,

                  Neither.

                  chicken spook,,,,

                    But it doesn't matter what item you buy since you'll still most likely lose with a juggernaut on your team

                    Shou

                      if u go the farming build its manta mjollnir abyssal (maybe blink somewhere in there)
                      if u dont then go diffusal blink after manta

                      z_z

                        @hime "most likely lose with a jugger on your team" feelsadman.

                        Lokieleven

                          Bf is fine, situational though.
                          Gives him farming as well as some much needed hp and mana regen. Also goes well with your ult.
                          Just because the "meta" may have favored another build does not mean the old build is bad.
                          Also, you cannot compare the items for a 15 minute mark since they is a 1k gold difference

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                          chicken spook,,,,

                            I have like 40% jugg winrate this patch rofl lmao

                            chicken spook,,,,

                              BF jugg is fine, but not an every game thing

                              Jacked

                                Jugg is kinda like a stable carry. but he's secretly bad and no one realizes it

                                z_z

                                  Yea jugg has a lot of exotic and versatile items builds.

                                  Puay

                                    I would say Aether lens > Radiance > SB is the best build on jugg. This match of my smurf proved that this new meta build works https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2824439998

                                    Or if you don't like that, there's a situational build Aether lens > Armlet > Medallion https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/2824393164

                                    So.. why aether lens?? Because Jugg lacks of mana pool and aether lens solve that for him, furthermore, the spell amp is so good with his Spin and Radiance. Not only that, the 200 cast range also helps him to be in a better position. Have you ever died in teamfights because you tried to ult someone but that person was too far from you? Aether lens is the answer.

                                    Why armlet?? Because it gives Jugg all the tankiness he needs, PLUS armlet toggle is super good since health is not an issue for jugg because he has healing ward to heal himself up, so you're not going to run out of health from armlet's active

                                    🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                      i agree, this is the most optimal build^, it's just that lowbie scrubs have to go for bfury or diffusal because they're too noob to execute it.

                                      I was gonna include it in one of my guides, but i thought it'd be too complicated for low mmr players, but really worth if you practice it 10-20 matches first.

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                                      chicken spook,,,,

                                        but he's secretly bad and no one realizes it

                                        I learned about it the hard way

                                        z_z

                                          @cuckie

                                          Riguma Borusu

                                            not sure if trolling or genius

                                            z_z

                                              @fatty devil @cuckie

                                              🍩🍪Cookie🍪🍩

                                                are you stupid? https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes/juggernaut/items

                                                bfury has 51% winrate and so does diffusal

                                                radiance has 66.6%

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                                                BSJ. LGD

                                                  pretty sure you buy rod of atos recipe every game for that 100% winrate

                                                  Erdal Kömürcü

                                                    i d choose diffusal blade for early kills but if you want to farm faster then get maelstorm not bf its more useful on jugger imo

                                                    TripleSteal-

                                                      bf is a highly suboptimal item for jugg
                                                      diffu first aint that good either, u normally rush manta after aquila/stout/sticks/raindrop/whatever else

                                                      WatDaFrag

                                                        Bf in less than 15 min is still so strong. Even getting a regen ring at 2 min. U have a permanent tango activated. I think bfury is still a good item ho heroes like jugg and pa.

                                                        A
                                                        A

                                                          12-13 minutes is a good battlefury time if you'd be lucky enough you can get it at 8-11 too

                                                          TripleSteal-

                                                            in the last year in 5k+ games i saw 2 bf-s on pa, both times against meepo, and 1 on jugg, cz he was a pretty bad carry player.
                                                            that pretty much dummarizes the utility of this item on all heroes except antimage.

                                                            ETd

                                                              I think more comparable would be Battle fury or aghs around the same timing. And if you're going Aghs, you're going the only right build, the only way to play the hero. kappa

                                                              CUTNPASTE

                                                                Bfury is fine vs some heroes like AM/Meepo. Just don't be a retard and go BF first item, you want to go phase+aquila+yasha->bfury.

                                                                arin

                                                                  when do you go mael/mjol on jugger?

                                                                  Rab

                                                                    Battlefury is ok on jugg below 4k imo

                                                                    A
                                                                    A

                                                                      You people are saying it like it's the worst item, only am can make use of battlefury's potential that doesn't mean it's bad on jugg there was a time when jugg battlefury is a thing it's at least than the time when battlefury is believed to increased crit damage in a sense it does since it givet damage

                                                                      YB^^

                                                                        Cookie went battlefury in all his games pretty much. Such a fucking arsehole.

                                                                        z_z

                                                                          cuckie is trolling every one on every thread, Seemsbad.

                                                                          Shou

                                                                            im pretty sure MoM yasha halberd eagle song talisman of evasion is better

                                                                            chicken spook,,,,

                                                                              Nah best build is radiance octarine manta mjolnir agha

                                                                              cartel

                                                                                15 min diffusal????

                                                                                Prachtlachs

                                                                                  Radi > Blink > Shotgun > Shivas > Octarine

                                                                                  cartel

                                                                                    ^I disagree on the shotgun .... 10/10 wouldnt know how to build

                                                                                    chicken spook,,,,

                                                                                      Veil aether radi force staff shiva blade fury talent for beyblade gaming

                                                                                      Story Time

                                                                                        troll thread... just dont pick juggger this patch or gg