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meteor hammer

    ok new plan spam sb to 11k mmr

    1: roam is a role nobody instalocks
    2: ur teammate is more likely to wanna play support
    3: huge impact at all stages of game
    4: u dictate how the game goes from min 0

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    Shou

      Just buy refresher as fast as possible, so if he global u refresh bkb blackhole
      If ur team commits on the enemy u can try to force global before u black hole, also works if ur counter initiating
      Imo if ur enigma against silencer then it just forces u to not be the main initiator, so if u have a play making initiating mid like puck or storm it works out, even a safelaner like Ursa who jumps in first, can force out global.

      Shou

        Jd how was my last tinker game
        I'm not that good at the hero but it was quite the comeback.
        https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3377144535

        meteor hammer

          Just buy refresher as fast as possible, so if he global u refresh bkb blackhole
          If ur team commits on the enemy u can try to force global before u black hole, also works if ur counter initiating
          Imo if ur enigma against silencer then it just forces u to not be the main initiator, so if u have a play making initiating mid like puck or

          this works after refresh. bkb/greave into refresh is a pretty trash build, but if you want to commit 5800 gold and 1/2 of ur bh cds to get the same value of ur hero as normal it's doable

          ur not going to "force global out" against me, ill literally will not click r until enigma ult. idc if it will save my carry or anything, because getting black holed is a million times worse. im trading all my position 5 silencer impact to keep the enemy 3 from being anything but a walking mek and shitty dispellable stun

          plus its very easy to get the second black hole swapped/scythed/nether struck, bkb piercing stuns are not rare

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          Shou

            Can't global if he is the hole :thinking:
            Also Midas blink greaves bkb refresher doesn't sound ultra bad but wtf do I know
            I did the enigma vs silencer once, I straight up blink bkb midnight pulse and stunned him and right clicked him to death no Kappa

            meteor hammer

              ur item timings are honestly not that bad. hex is not amazing against meepo imo but its so good against am i wouldve built it instead of shivas anyway

              still in general ur build is pretty good for this game. aghs definitely even more core than usual against meepo. sometimes i go aghs 1st then go back for AL against him, but the normal progression is much safer. shivas keeps meepo from jumping on u from trees and in general is a good item this game

              meepo cant touch ur team ifu dont die and can laser him and am has to deal with the other 4 1/2 cores on ur team + glbal

              meteor hammer

                Can't global if he is the hole

                idk man i just afk in fog until he clicks r

                死の恐怖 Haseo

                  hey jdf teach me how to jungle TA pls

                  also jdf8

                    talon -> blight bottle (basi) treads deso rosh

                    flame ur team as much as possible and spam bottle crow, make stacks on md/lg camp and then ancient stacks and clear md/lg stack with 6.

                    ping ur iron talon every time a teammate dies

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                    meteor hammer

                      if u do dire offlane jungle u can steal all his bounties for max tilt and stack ancients, be ready to deal with the enemy roamers invading and you can even remind him that you are the only reason he is getting support kills

                      honestly ur item/xp progression is so poor i can only assume u were semi afk/griefing. glove+tp instead of boots so u can escape retards and farm faster

                      i havent done the math but i think u either go blight bottle glove basi or blight basi glove raindrop after talon. the trap slow at 6 is super good for clearing stacks, u can prepare a few max slow traps before u attempt it but idk if its very possible at lvl 7-9 to clear ancients with just blight and treads + basi, at the very least the enemy should see what ur trying to do and ward ur shit

                      remember to use ur ally shrines at 5:00 and 10:00 to maximize their gameplay

                      https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3375346464 heres a good example of me doing this but my random hero was pugna. ideally u wanna come mid and steal his creeps whenever possible for max tilt. my item progression was pretty good until like 20 mins but we mysteriously fell far behind and i forgot to buy aether

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                      死の恐怖 Haseo

                        lmao thanks ! xD

                        Anomaluna

                          ^This guide is actually pretty good.

                          arin

                            holy fuck rapier is such an awful item

                            meteor hammer

                              yup

                              arin

                                i lost it once but losing it wasnt a problem, more like not having blink/deso/butter when i had aegis at the same time
                                even with +330 dmg and meld talent i was doing 0 damage

                                meteor hammer

                                  ive never taken that meld talent actually because i always feel like i win lategame as ta by slapping towers when people arent looking. is it that significant a dps upgrade?

                                  also rapier is shitty against evasion without truestrike, and truestrike + rapier means ur way too light on survivability unless ur build is like mkb rapier butter satanic bkb travels, plus the buildup is garbage and you will have to play very differently and if you dont close the game ur gonna drop it

                                  and god forbid u pick it up on a bad hero, i got stuck with a rapier on od in a 73 min game and not having 1 of shiva/bkb/hex/pike was imo not worth dealing extra physical and having to play like a complete vagina, ofc i ended up losing the game and at the time i was at 5975 mmr and wanted to blow my brains out

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                                  arin

                                    i found out i can just put rapier on the ground
                                    not sure if thats new

                                    arin

                                      meteor hammer

                                        ok i found an unwinnable game, 30 seconds into laning my laptop BSoD'd and i got an abandon rip

                                        ywn

                                          BlessRNG

                                          Bungmangler

                                            You could have still come back and won the game, just not gain any mmr.

                                            or is winning only winning if you get that mmr!!!

                                            woah....thats deep

                                            arin

                                              https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3379949700


                                              I WANT OUT: i think im marking ur profiles somewhere, ns and rubick
                                              I WANT OUT: as soon as i encounter one of you in my team im running down mid from min 0
                                              critz: ok autistic kid
                                              critz: go hang yourself up
                                              critz: fucking trash
                                              critz: computer game is your life
                                              critz: you think you good ?
                                              critz: you think you are so good y ou can go pro
                                              critz: so you belittle other people across the world online ?
                                              critz: jesus christ mate
                                              critz: face reallity you are worthless like that piece of toilet paper you wipe you ass with

                                              arin

                                                is there some script i could run and alttab to do something else that will make me automatically run down mid

                                                i'd just turn it on and play gw2 after i get camped by 3 people while my supports are making circles in our jungle and die if they by random stumble into the enemy heroes

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                                                arin

                                                  down we go again
                                                  it's pretty incredible how 95% batrider players have this immense talent to lasso a wrong person every single time

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                                                  faw

                                                    ?

                                                    Jacked

                                                      ???

                                                      Bungmangler

                                                        Looks like you got some salty players to play with Arin

                                                        Anomaluna

                                                          After getting a few levels I finally got some good chat wheel sounds. Replaced all my old messages with these ones.

                                                          How much MMR do you think I will get boosted by with this pay-to-win feature?

                                                          arin

                                                            not this fuckface again

                                                            one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                              but u have agi boouy against u so its balanced

                                                              arin

                                                                true
                                                                and this guy is suprisingly not playing bloodseeker today so i might actually win this time

                                                                faw

                                                                  arin 6k when ?

                                                                  vohi3

                                                                    After getting a few levels I finally got some good chat wheel sounds. Replaced all my old messages with these ones. How much MMR do you think I will get boosted by with this pay-to-win feature?

                                                                    just made an account say this : people who spam all these chat wheel sounds probably up there in the worst and annoying players to meet in rmm and get an instant double mute from me. if you want to win do yourself a favor and only use chat wheel/binds for directing actual in game movements and/or pinging statuses.
                                                                    thanks.

                                                                    arin

                                                                      https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3380932740
                                                                      nvm after we get decent chance to win the game, we lose a fight and suddenly everyone decides to walk into enemy team 1 by 1 for 3 mins straight until we get mega creeped

                                                                      arin

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                                                                        SoBayed

                                                                        Shou

                                                                          Rapier kunkka is lit af
                                                                          The problem is getting there

                                                                          Bungmangler

                                                                            I dont get it Arin, aer you commenting on the average MMR of the match?

                                                                            arin

                                                                              im commenting on getting ywn in my team again

                                                                              Anomaluna

                                                                                How is ywn lower mmr than you

                                                                                arin

                                                                                  because im megagood

                                                                                  Bungmangler

                                                                                    ya I thought YWN was som elike 6k mmr player or something. did you win the game?

                                                                                    D
                                                                                    D

                                                                                      u lost to this russian smurf...

                                                                                      arin

                                                                                        i admit i lost mid to him as ta vs his lina

                                                                                        one syllable anglo-saxon

                                                                                          how is that possible

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                                                                                              the good thing is at least I always take mmr from him

                                                                                              meteor hammer

                                                                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3380932740
                                                                                                nvm after we get decent chance to win the game, we lose a fight and suddenly everyone decides to walk into enemy team 1 by 1 for 3 mins straight until we get mega creeped

                                                                                                https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3381231725

                                                                                                my inability to win games is honestly just sad, like it actually just makes me sad. when i lost this game i was pissed but now im just disappointed that even with a huge lead i cant win games for myself

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                                                                                                meteor hammer

                                                                                                  edit: nvm i found it

                                                                                                  also that ursa in ur last game was like low 4k lol so bad. watched first 7 mins

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