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General DiscussionOn Pa, First deso vs First Vanguard.

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kanra

    So I just played a game with PA going vanguard first (it was pretty late) then deso then bkb then abysal.
    Or
    First deso then vanguard then bkb then abysal.
    I like vanguard first as we can farm pretty easily and we are kinda tanky.
    We can also go for helm but this build is for people who are lazy to micro.
    Any piece of advice welcome. Any troll stuff too.

    Emon

      vanguard is a safe choice howerver if you can get an 10 min deso y not get it? coupled with magic wand u can easily burst those spellcasters that u are scared of. if they have 2 or more magic or u get focused in fights vanguard then deso would be better.

      TLDR early deso can net you an easier kill those magic burst early on but if you get a little bit of a hard time buying vanguard would b better

      Vem Comigo

        depends of the game, if there are heroes ganking every 10 secs go vanguard, if you have the space to farm more go deso.

        Shou

          Deso is usually better but in a game where ur way too squishy u can go phase blight vanguard deso

          BenaoLifedancer

            phase blight stone bf bkb basher deso

            arin

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              disgusting weebs

                arin stop bullying benao
                it's not nice and u're doing a pretty garbage job anyway

                Shou

                  Bf in 2017 only benao LUL

                  BenaoLifedancer

                    I doubt that's the real Arin. And if he is, he's fucking retarded

                    disgusting weebs

                      it's the real arin sir
                      nice profile pic btw 👅 👅 👅 💦💦💦

                      BenaoLifedancer

                        Damn.. I was hoping he wasn't.
                        Thx :) got a haircut :3 Best of all is that I didn't have to pay for it, too handsome lel not - Actually beat bro and sis at a card game so they paid xD. Free stuff feels great.

                        me, government hooker

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                          arin

                            hero scaling quite badly into late game
                            guess i'll buy battle fury because why would i want to run around the map and kill everything on sight when i can get those sweet cs

                            mmmm

                            BenaoLifedancer

                              lul? I'm gonna play pa 20 games straight and show you. Once i get out of lp

                              arin

                                at first i was like
                                4k games meaning something LUL

                                but then i was like
                                benao getting out of lp in 2k17 MEGALUL

                                btw how did you come up with the idea that it's not me

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                                Beks

                                  pa bf is legit
                                  vladimir on pa is waste ( talent lifesteal )
                                  jugg bf is legit aswell but manta mael is much bettee his patch

                                  i commend

                                    VG = There are early game right clicker that wants to fight you. LC, Riki and Drow.
                                    Deso = Rush it after Phase - PMS - Aquilla/Wand/Raindrop/ Bottle(All Optional) - Headress
                                    Vlads = Having a hard early game.
                                    Domi = If your looking to siege or fight early. Also good for aiding in jungling.

                                    I prefer rushing Vlads since it gives you armor and mana regen for early game but its a case of preference but a casual Headress for the raw regen and early stats.

                                    BenaoLifedancer

                                      It wasn't very much of a smart comment so I just assumed it was a copycat

                                      Shou

                                        Vlads is not good anymore cuz of the lifesteal talent. It is theoretically fine, but one of its bigger benefits is already in pa's kit, and other items can cover vlads other benefits, namely domi.

                                        BenaoLifedancer

                                          and on the topic of that guy using pa and winning etc etc. He probably last picks pa or has a team around it most of the time. You shouldn't judge builds by that, ez games. You could say he could win with whatever at that point. Judge it by placing pa randomly in a lineup. You get a better distribution of games. The sample sized is not skewed etc.

                                          i commend

                                            Why would you autopick PA in the first place? She is not spam material eventhough she has a high winrate across all brackets. Lol.

                                            i commend

                                              Why would you autopick PA in the first place? She is not spam material eventhough she has a high winrate across all brackets. Lol.

                                              BenaoLifedancer

                                                let's say you only want to play pa. First picking pa is the only way to secure the pick. Even doing that people double carry your lane but whatever.. It's normal for me already

                                                arin

                                                  and on the topic of that guy using pa and winning etc etc. He probably last picks pa or has a team around it most of the time. You shouldn't judge builds by that, ez games. You could say he could win with whatever at that point. Judge it by placing pa randomly in a lineup. You get a better distribution of games. The sample sized is not skewed etc.

                                                  in that case ure basically saying that going battle fury on pa is team independant and it gives you the highest potential to 1v5 any game
                                                  incredible

                                                  i would post pepes but 40 kbps internet is no joke

                                                  arin

                                                    but i suppose i should thank you benao

                                                    players like you are motivating me to get up in mmr
                                                    because i can't accept that someone with your game knowledge is roaming around my current bracket (which is actually kinda false because u spend more time in low prio but still)

                                                    BenaoLifedancer

                                                      That's exactly what I'm saying xD. Unless ofc you're having a terrible game. In which case I recommend deso rush. Or an even worse game than that where I'd go vlads.

                                                      Beks

                                                        Road to 5 k , anyone got idea ??
                                                        i do

                                                        tinker

                                                        Shou

                                                          Bf is one of the worst pa items. Tbh i was considering roaming pa with oov and blight stone + clarity into phase raindrops medallion blight stone solar vlads deso
                                                          Maybe toss in hood into pipe instead of vlads or a wand or abyssal or smth.

                                                          Jacked

                                                            I don't get it. How can you think pa should go bf?

                                                            Please explain your thought process exactly so we can judge it fairly

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                                                            ImagineDodong

                                                              BF PA was viable back when neuts respawn every minute, but right now I don't think its viable anymore especially neuts spawn every odd number of minutes.

                                                              evy

                                                                Back in 6.88 I bought BF on PA for some games
                                                                feels like you're skipping your power spike way too much

                                                                Impulsive 3k addict.

                                                                  You can go medallion of courage into an abysall rush. If you wanna delay or skip deso.

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                                                                  Shou

                                                                    Why not get both medallion/solar and deso, u deal retarded dmg.

                                                                    evy

                                                                      You don't get medallion because OMG CARRY XDDDD
                                                                      kappa

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                                                                        Impulsive 3k addict.

                                                                          You want armor closet to -10 as possible.

                                                                          If all enemies have 35 armor,sell your armor pen items. If enemy has zero armor, deso + medallion + solar c takes you too deep into neg armor and is wasted.

                                                                          So medallion >absal or bkb > deso is good if enemy has 15-0 armor.

                                                                          Neg armor is not a very endgame strat, so i would never advise solar crest in soloq. If enemy gets bfly or ac it deletes all ur neg armor items. Medallion is just a good early dmg amp that lets you get early defensive item like vanguard or bkb

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                                                                          dead

                                                                            phase, blight, vg, deso

                                                                            Shou

                                                                              Ye but stacking deso and solar puts u to -17 armor reduction, which gets u closer to -10 on a hero, so i dont get ur point. Obv -armor isnt a good lategame strat, but pa isnt a good lategame hero, so this complements her early power spike.

                                                                              BenaoLifedancer

                                                                                Hmmm?

                                                                                fear is the mind killer

                                                                                  solar crest on PA? who would do that, i think its terrible

                                                                                  Emon

                                                                                    BF is super situational considering this meta.
                                                                                    BF can be considered if you cant really fight and forced to afk farm until you get 5 slotted with bkb. c

                                                                                    BenaoLifedancer

                                                                                      :') sure