General Discussionhelp with ember pls.

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2) gud

i think i do well with him early game. i know he is strong early. its middle to late that i fuck up with the hero. suggestions? should i be farming a lot, or fighting a lot. or split pushing, or striking a balance?

watch replay from maybe or burning , they both are good ember player

Baumi is decent, and explains how to play him in some of his videos

there is such a thing called a replay....why do you want something in theory when you can witness it first hand

u can solo kill most heros at level 2 or 3 with a point (or two) in flame guard and a point in bolas.

i usually go q blade, PMS, boots, (wand if i need it) aquila, BOT's, bfury ------ I've seen high level players get bottle and drums as well, so I guess it's situational.

then u can go blink into daedalus, or vice versa. at this point you can usually just W people in fights and deal massive damage. If you dont need a blink, you can double up on deadalus, or get a linkens, skadi, mkb etc. Deso is also pretty good but I very rarely get it.

if you get a linkens, you should rarely die in fights, so I feel confident enough in my ability to not die that I get a rapier as a 6th slot sometimes. A lot of times I didn't know if I should get one, but i was glad I did because it can literally win fights. You will 1-shot 90 percent of support heros, and 2-shot most heros in general.

He's a lot of fun. Key is to not die in laning stage and try your best to not get picked when you split push.

Can any VHS confirm what I said?

i ve watched tons of replays. it usually helps if ppl who know the hero break down the concepts behind the hero, so i can understand why ppl take certain decisions. makes for better replay analysis, rather than just watching shit happen like a brain dead idiot.

thx for the input guys. apart from item build, i'm really curious about how you play the hero to get the most impact. how do u apply pressure with the hero. seems like hanging back and press w is one way to do it, but its too reliant on ur teammates. games i've won is because i had good teammates who allowed me to just hang back. bad games is where im out carried and usually not able to find openings /opportunities during mid to late game with hero.

I'm not the greatest ember but I'd recommend only getting one point in your ult until you're level 23. I really only use his ult as an escape mekanism and stats really help him out.

I have 80% win rate with Ember.

The most important thing about Ember Spirit is BALANCE......

Know when its good to go for last hits , balance that with taking harrass.

Know when its good to fight. You can have huge impact in fights. You do a lot of dmg with ur Q and E and you can escape w. Lvl 6

Know when its good to go farm lanes and push, since you can escape as long as ur not silenced, you should always be pressuring lanes to farm and make the enemy defend.

Always make sure u have enough mana to escape with remnant.

Ember can fight early but at the same time he needs items to be useful once game is past 30 mins or so.

I suggest ring of Aquila so u have some more dmg and you get some mana regen, drums is also good cuz it gives you stats and more mana to use more spells in fights befor you get.

Get bfury and daedelus fast.
Desolater can mix in there well cause you can reduce entire enemies team and amplify ur teams physical dmg.

If ember gets chain disabled or silenced he is fucking DEAD. Everytime.

Don't afk farm ur damage items if ur enemy has silence / disable.

Get manta to dispel silences.

Get bkb to prevent disables.

Basically for example, if enemy has an invoker who's building orchid,

I would go boots > bottle > drums > battlefury > manta > daedelus and if they have too much disable get bkb,

U can mix in poor mans shield or ring of Aquila.

REMEMBER. BALANCE.

If ur gonna gank a lane from mid, which Ember is good at, make sure you can kill a hero before you walk all the way to that lane just to fail and walk back.

Go for kills in lane by maxing q and e, u can put 1 point in W if u need to avoid a projectile.

Go my son, practice :D

I don't play ember spirit but I know that late game he really needs a fairly tanky hero in the front line so that he can hang back and w. He will lose to most carries and even some semi-carries late game in a straight out fight. So late game just hang back, turn on flameguard and press w. Remember that you can use chains while you're in sleight of fist which lets you stun people while staying back.

In the early-mid game you can be more aggressive and just run at people with flame guard if they're alone. Most heroes only have one nuke and so wont be able to remove your flameguard. Be careful of heros like Lina who can remove flameguard since that's where a lot of your early damage comes from.

I can't really say more then that since I never play the hero. If you can find a game where people explain what they're doing as they play that is one of the best ways to learn. Try look at Purge's YouTube channel. Also I remember Baumi Coached a game with someone playing Ember spirit recently so that might help too.

Don't forget 4 slot Daedalus. D:

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