I think it goes faster when somebody tell you about tread switching for example than if you find it out by yourself
So coaching = faster information that you don't need to find and read
If you want to nab some quick money, then coaching is the way to go.
Hey Moku if you are not busy can you coach me how to play Templar Assasin 1 day? Thanks
it's worth when you literally can't see anything other than the obvious or when you want to learn a hero. slahser has a video talking about this, I fully agreed with him.
coaching is worth it if u r lazy to learn stuff by urself or dont know what you need to learn
objectively its not worth money investment though
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coaching is really worth it for 4ks who wanna get 5k since they seem to have a mental barrier
if people dont know how to play the game (sub 3k) its not worth it since they lack iq
It's like saying, why would you pay someone to teach you how to write, read, play piano etc.
Answer is simple, saving time.
I always believe in more practical decisions. Coming from a third-world country, I would find DOTA2 coaching a pointless, unnecessary and expensive method of improving better when you could just get good in some cheaper ways
Its not worth it to pay for something that doesnt help you get what to eat for today or pay you the bills. Especially DOTA. C'mon virtually everybody playing DOTA 2 was dreaming hard of becoming a professional and kickin Dendi's ass in the midlane for some point of his life.
@blunt
u cant generalize it like that. there is lets say nuclear physics, and then there is your new iphone or whatever. you can learn one thing only with pros' help, but you can easily understand how to use ipod on ur own or using some guides. dota is closer to iphones imo.
I can, someone had to get to the point of understanding nuclear physics, but i get your point. But you should also agree with my point. The only reason why you would want a coach is to get better at the game faster. Instead of taking multiple years, people rather want to get there in a couple of weeks.
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OK
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Bring it bring it back like she left some-
In the club with the lights off
Whatchu acting shy for?
Come and show me that you're with it with it with it with it with it
Stop playing, now you know that I'm with it with it with it with it with it
Whatchu acting shy for?
[Ally:]
Uh huh, you see me in the spotlight
"Ooh I love your style"
Uh huh show me what you got
'Cause I don't wanna waste my time
Uh huh see me in the spotlight
"Ooh I love your style"
Uh huh, show me what you got now
Come and make it worth my while
[Camila:]
Give it to me, I'm worth it
Baby, I'm worth it
Uh huh I'm worth it
Gimme gimme I'm worth it
Give it to me, I'm worth it (know what I mean?)
Baby, I'm worth it (give me everything)
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Gimme gimme I'm worth it
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People have a very hard time seeing their own mistakes. This is true in dota like everything else in life. Anyone serious about improving will seek an outside opinion.
@OP the same can be said about tutors, everything is available and out there but people still need them (not me though).
My argument isn't:
"Dota is simple, therefore tutors/coaches are not required; are a waste of money"
it's more more like:
"Dota is difficult, therefore learning on your own, and progressing is a rewarding/fullfilling process"
the fact that there are tons of free resources available for your own improvement is just a cherry on top
I was born intellectually capable so I would diss the idea of getting tutored though when I could just try hard and do it myself. I am definitely standing in a different viewpoint of life, since we live in different countries and there are nuances in ours which you wouldnt understand and vice versa
there is enjoyment in learning the game on your own.
if you pay someone to teach you then you will miss out on this part, and you wouldn't be able to go "yeah i found out this trick myself".
besides i highly doubt that any player that pays to get coached has ever gone pro, so theres that rofl
i would reiterate what i posted couple of weeks ago
it's not about repetition but the quality of games.
imo, i will hire a good coach if he can teach me strategically about the higher level things that I could be missing such as game play, decision making etc... and this is not easy to find in the internet. the closest I've seen is some videos by Bren Dota when he was analyzing some 4K MMR replays.
it's not just about someone pointing your mistakes such as tread switching, last hitting under tower, toss before avalance etc.
yea sure theres tons of free resources but most of the resources arent even good
i dont know what do you mean by resources but most of the guides or whatever you see are written by bad players who think they are hot shit just because they played a hero 200 times or have whatever dotabuff ranking
By resources I meant - streams and stuff in DotaTV (the fact that all replays except the tourney ones are publicly available and are free to watch)
well just by watching replays you cant really understand the exact reason for their decision making. streams are the same thing unless the streamer talks alot or something..
the people i stack with usually range from mid 5k to 6.3k and asking them dota related stuff is usually extremely eye opening
so far the best resources have been nadota forums (by far the best forum,where most of the users are high 5ks and 6ks) and good kappa studios
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There are plenty of topics on a weekly basis where people are looking for coaches.
Is it actually worth it, if you think about it?
So really, what is coaching?
It's a short term investment, you are paying money for someone to show you your mistakes.
What is the point in doing it, if there are replays/vods of pros available for FREE.
It's not like you are going to be become a better player in the long term; if you get coached you'll be self aware of certain mistakes, but you won't develop the attitude of being self critical (i'm referring to people whose № of games played exceeds their mmr).
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I always thought the merit in dota was self improvement, but coaching just defeats the whole notion is probably the dumbest way of spending your money. Better get boosed than give money to some retard so he shows you your own mistakes.