I honestly don't think that dota esports will be dead anytime soon, since the entire scene just keeps growing. I think DotA ( and I think LoL ) are stable enough to keep existing. But that's just a guess...
ofc it will be dead
look at how many new teams enters pro scene ? (NONE) all the veterans plays in pro teams
its either gonna die out when all the vet's retired or its gonna go downgrade skillwise bigtime
It's nice and all but a little bit misleading since sites like that one don't show the full LoL earnings.
there's a difference between pub skills and teamgame pro skills.
most of the new c*nts are just pub players that play op shit and then fail miserably when against decent pro players that even playing like shit, rape them.
New players still popping up through EEL and NEL.
Arteezy a year ago, now Suma1l for example.
Who knows more young stars will pop up as they see the big money in dota
Look at Soccer:
There is barely ever new teams and the same big teams win every year and get bigger but the sport still grows and new younger players keep coming through
In soccer the new teams are created from the bottom (T4 teams) and take a while if ever to work themselves to an elite stage. If someone stars in a team though a better team will take their player
This is the way I see DOTA going...
Navi is like a Manchester United of DOTA
You can't say a game has died out just because the overall skill got lower. You know how batshit crazy good people were at any sports ages ago? Yeah and they are still healthy as ever.
there is bazilion small football teams all over the world and they play the same game at close enuff same level
unlike at dota the difference is actually insanely big everything ends after time comes
who said the game died out? or will anytime soon?
edit: vaikiss did
Well here is one for you with Dota 2 being so easy on a computer graphically and everything else that helps a lot of countries play this game.
Where as this maybe one reason for the lack of American players besides well the commitment for reward is pretty low. By that I mean the obvious American prefers is call of duty and camping action.
This is why I believe US servers is all Peruvian and Spanish speakers this is a game their poor country can access ;)
One thing that helps Dota is it doesn't rely on sweet graphics or anything it's got great staying power and no matter how much money someone has they can't buy wins.
The reason the money is so high is valve. They're the biggest platform outside of consoles and even if you don't play any valve games you're exposed to them as a PC gamer since something like 90% of digital sales are through steam. TI is all user funded through compendiums basically and valve makes a huge profit. Look at the other tourneys, TI dwarfs them. Only seen a couple others like last years Asian championship over a million.
Players are getting better and better (despite most of the community being trash at this game) just cause veterans quit, doesn't mean the skill level will go down, Dota 2 hasn't even been main stream for very long, heck, even League of Legends barely went main stream in 2012/13, you have tons of companies making MOBA's too, there's a reason for that, cause they're the new in thing. CoD and BF pretty much killed FPS, they oversaturated the market, and now with the rise of PC gaming, gamers won't something else besides a generic console FPS, and MOBA's are what's now being used to feel that void. Counter strike is the only FPS thriving competitively, why? Because PC gaming is on the rise, and nobody wants to play generic console FPS anymore, even Halo died competitively. Who the fuck is excited about Halo 5? No one besides a few casual fans, and even then casuals don't care about it anymore, and especially the new generation kids that grew up on CoD, that never experienced Halo 2 and 3.
THERES TONS OF NEW YOUNG TALENT, so don't fucking say things like that, you got Arteezy who is a prime example of this, and Sumail, and who know's what other players who have yet to be noticed. Same thing happened with fighting game players, when the legends quit, everyone was saying that it would never be the same, now you got a new generation of players who are doing way more things than the OG's ever could, why? Cause were in the information age, and it's 10x more easier to learn Dota 2 thanks to the internet being flooded with it, and the player base being bigger than it has ever been cause of that fact that it's mainstream.
My final argument is that the NBA is twice as hard to play in now, then it was to play when Jordan was playing, the defense is way tighter, and way more organized, not to mention the average skill of a pro has gone up immensely. Could Jordan do the same thing he was doing back then, if he were in his prime today? I don't think so, he'd be AMAZING, but not Air Jordan.
Not talking bout d pro scene, but the pub scene will NEVER ever die, add the network improvements in reborn? Oh man doto will have queue times of only seconds in the future.
I don't want to go way off topic with nba but Jordan would still crush it in today's game. For one they made hand checking illegal so he would blow by defenders easier but the biggest reason is that teams were more stacked in Jordan's era. Contracts were way different and the leave wa more top heavy. I mean Jordan's Bulls beat teams with Shawn kemp plus Gary Payton, shaq and penny, Karl Malone and Stockton, and that's just the finals. Any of those teams would be finals favorites right now. On the flip side Jordan's teams would also be weaker but look at how lebron pushed a crap team to the finals. Jordan could certainly do it.
I thought about the less brutal physical contact thing, that's why i said he'd be amazing, but not sure if he'd be Air jordan, but who am i to talk about Jordan's limits. I think a better example would of been, humans get better and better at things, a good example is running a mile, back in the 1940's people thought running a mile in 4 mins was IMPOSSIBLE, then it was done, even 6 minutes in 1980's was insane, people thought you had to be insanely fit to do that, now you have people like who have been running it under 6 since middle school.
Even kids on Skateboards are doing more than what a early 2000's/90's pro were doing, BELIEVE ME. You see 16 years olds who were better than some pro's in their prime already. You got kids kick flipping holly wood high 16 stair set at age 15, back then, that was the grand finale of a professional skate tape. Not saying it's easy now, cause it's steal insanely hard, it's just not godlike status hard like people thought it was.
the only problem that to be good in dota u don't have to be good psyhicly or so
but u have to actually be smart and have good reflexes and fast thinking which not many people posses
Also yeah as someone else said, Valve is a huge force. Any game they make won't probably die out just because of their power.
Im pretty sure current top football teams would rekt old ones. Sorry to hurt your poor hipster souls.
@Luxon... while the skill difference between the 2 vaulters is huge... Olympics used be for 'non-professionals' only... now pros can join that train and compete all the year round... no to mention the difference in the springboards and asistance that the vault platform provides when 56 years of modern materials and sporting science are applied.
To apply what I mean to the football (soccer, for weirdos) comparison... lets see modern players kick an old ball or sprint in old boots... or even better, kick an old ball in new boots... hahah. they would deck it, roll about the floor and claim for a fucking free kick.
don't diss the beautiful game. If you Play it you will know what I mean, instead of watching it. same as Dota2, People who play it enjoy it most for playing and appreciating what the pros can do with it too.
On the esport scene, we know that the next step into gaming most probably will be 3D VR gaming with the introduction of the Occulus and major developments for these kind of interactions, though I also feel, it wouldn't have a market for a while, since it would take some time to reach the response and intensity as well as player base as Dota2 etc have.
Anyway, I like Dota2 because it makes me happy.
^ dafuq dis was a beautiful love declaration to dota.
anyways, u do have a point w 3D VR gaming.
Ugh I draw the line when someone says something like the nba is harder now then when Jordan played....
As if that is even applicable to this.
And no the nba is harder now then when Jordan played his bulls teams would have ate the warriors or cavs alive.
That's true but it's very unlikely Jordan would've had his bulls teams as they were put together. The new salary cap rules and max contracts make it hard to assemble a team like that. Closest thing we have had is OKC and they keep getting derailed by injuries. And the heat with wade bosh and lebron were a super team kind of like Jordan and pippen + rodman, but wade and/or bosh kept getting hurt there too. It's just not possible these days to put two huge superstars on the same team without having like zero bench. Like the current cavs. Top heavy with lebron, love and irving and the rest of the team blows and are a bunch of vets on minimum deals.
lol ofc any sports thing was lamer back then
cuz noone wa taking it as serious as they do now
noone was taking dota seriously 12 years ago either tournament winnings were for 300 dollars thats fucking 60 bucks per player
we had no reconnect button 1 disconnect = lose or remake
game is at its peak now can't get any better and slowly will go downwards until they release something like dota3 or new heroes and shit altho its been like 5 or so years since last new hero so i doubt they gonna make new ones until they atleast port in old ones
Well, Valve is currently not doing shit because as you said the game is really fresh atm but if they realise that it's dying, then they will do something about it because they love their money.
Not doing shit....except a complete overhaul with an updated engine,completely redone UI and networking overhaul.
which has nothing to do with the actuall game lmfao
they need to make pubs more enjoyable place for everyone to play
they need to help amatuer scene to develop instead of just taking money out of every tournament organizer and putting their retarded cosmetics everywhere where its possible to be put
i mean yeah they are a company so they have to make profits but come fuckign on only place where they aren't greedy fucks is international but again thats where they are greediest fucks too becouse of compendiums n shit
prize pool is bigger than the Masters, Indy 500, Wimbleton, the Lower Oakland Roller Derby Finals
The total prize pool is also higher then the Cricket world cup and Rugby world cup (both in top 5 most watched world tournaments)
2015 Cricket World Cup prize pool was $10.2m, Each team has a squad of 15 players and background staff to split their money.
It's also a tournament that only happens every 4 years
Compare those numbers to TI, especially the fact that TI is every year. It's completely insane how much bigger DOTA's biggest event is compared to the world's second most popular sport's biggest event
In every game/sport so far players were only getting BETTER, how do you come to conclusion that skill level will decline, it makes no sense.
Yeah but that's also cus TI costs valve practically nothing to host. They rent out a venue in Seattle for a week. They host games on a network they already have. That's it. Doesn't cost hardly anything to bring a hundred teenagers over from China. Are teams responsible for their own accommodations?
And valve pledges a portion of all compendiums, many which are bought by people who won't even watch. Does the cricket world cup pledge a share of all merchandising to the prize pool? Doubt it, that money is kept by the people running it as profits.
Dota pledges 25% of compendium sales, it's almost 15,000,000 so they've sold around 60,000,000, which is probably like 40% their users cus you can buy the cheap one for $10 or higher leveled ones. Dota2 had over 11 million unique players last month. So it's not that absurd, almost everyone buys a compendium.
if there was possiblity to buy compendiums irl for normal sports
football would probably have billions of dollars as 1st place prize
And in American pro sports the players get paid salaries which are contractually guaranteed for the season regardless of winning or losing usually. You get small bonuses for winning playoff games and the title. Dota's a lot more like a tennis or golf pro who only gets money from tournaments.
so do teams who plays for teams
like eg or navi or alliance or whatnot any other pro team they get salaries and percentages of tournament winnings
actually even smaller teams sponsored by smaller things get salaries or covers for tournament participations i was in couple teams like that myself
It is because of the medium that Dota will ultimately eclipse all previous sports. It is not possible to experience professional sporting events in the way you can a pro dota game - to see what the players see, to rewind and replay whenever YOU choose, to view the game from any camera angle you want. Besides this, unlike major sports people can play the game at home so they retain and nourish a personal interest and understanding of the gameplay.
Also there is more action in a dota game than in any sport. In dota ten players are can all be making some play at the same time the entire game - not the same play together (like football) - not standing an watching most of the game like most pro team sports. In Dota all ten players are engaged every second of the entire game. Even if they are hiding, standing still waiting to attack or evade a gank it adds suspense. Dota is simply a superior entertainment experience to all real life sports.
Barring world war, or some truly global catastrophe the destroys modern societies, Dota 2 will become an iconic game played by people of all ages in all countries. Advancing technology drives free-time to occupy an ever increasing percentage of peoples lives, and entertainment is how nearly everyone will choose to use that time in every culture.
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Already #1 by 50%, TI5 is likely to generate a prize pool comparable to the entire history of StarCraft earnings for all 3000+ tournaments.
In future years Dota 2 will continue to grow making the current prizes and player base seem small. In a few more years schools and cities will begin have their own dota 2 teams/clubs. Dota 2 will continue to dominate esports as it grows until someone invents and distributes cheaply to the public a new medium for competition that is superior to monitors, mice, and keyboards - or until some world war wipes out the infrastructure. Merely new games will not be able to displace dota 2 from this position. But they will try. Eventually other games will fill smaller niches as Dota 2 expands the opportunity and demand for esports.