General DiscussionFavorite late game carry

[offtopic] spectre can 1v1 void for sure, and probably troll as well

I like necrophos in super late game, although hes not the usual kind of carry

Spectre and Medusa and Void

I dnt think spec can win against a troll with satanic and a void with chrono. Both will keep her perma bashed. no?

manta is good against troll
void dies cz of imba spectre passive, shes too fat for poor headless guy. I even tried to add vyse and/or refresher to final itembuild on void, but it didnt help. spectre >> void in lategame.

@TripleSteal-
Here is the battle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYsL84X-oec

nice. one more reason for loving spectre. Im sure she rapes medusa too. Doubtful abt troll tho. He specializes in killing heroes 1-on-1

Unfortunately Santana you will not be able to make good games with spectre on pub matches. Because of lack of suports

cant say stuff abt higher skill levels, but in my skill level u can own with spec.

+survive laning phase thru maxing dispersion
+afk farm, see an enemy dying at the other end of the map, ulti, kill steal, tp to base, return to farming
+eat up supports who are alone somewhere once u hav radiance or even diffusal
+get fat enuf to be unstoppable

-only fucked by teams who gang up and push at 15min with heroes like axe, undying and sniper

Lc < spec anytime

PL > all

pl is kickass, but even the pl army cant beat spec

Tide < pl

Anti-mage and terrorblade

btw bkb > spectre

techie - tiny

Chaos Knight then call yourself Louie..Louie ck Hah Hah HAAAaahhh

@messiah, how does spectre gets countered by bkb, shes mostly doing physical and pure dmg?

I love 6 slotted chaos knight. I was also a troll player before he was cool ;).

Spectre for the latest carry though. I like medusa but she has 0 mobility...

Morpling., ultimate agile hero

Morphling and AM

If the void in that video had bkb, he might even kill her on the manta build without chrono. Most of her damage ouput is from desolate anyways (and radiance in a normal game, but obviously not good in 1v1).

Favourite late game carry is Naga Siren. Especially fun to watch.

@solaire her passives deal pure damage but according to dotabuff they do not pierce magical immunity. so they ignore armor but their damage can be blocked by bkb. i think.

morphling is so hard to understand. he can deal massive amounts of dps with maxed agility, but hes so tough to farm with, can't get easy kills like void and spectre can, and that annoying struggle to rush linkens in pubs along with mana problems. morph is rli tough to play

^he can farm well with replicate + waveform. Replicating can sometimes make him an annoying rat too.

Even tho he is not a late game carry, ck is v really fun to stomp with

ck is actually one of the strongest late game carries

^ yes he is; along with lifestealer, lc and lycan, the only late game strength carries , and i guess he's on top of all of them.

Duuuuuuuuuuusa.
btw, in a somewhat realistic situation, Medusa is much stronger than Spectre in a teamfight. And she still wins about ~30% of 1v1s against working Desolate (100% of them, if Medusa adjusts her build against Spectre).

diff 2 against medu?

who the fuck rushes linkens on morph anyway? Well, ok if you are not vs doom/bat or other fucking 1 spell shits why do you need linken lel

chaos knight my ass

@baxter for the early orb and mana problem solution and if ur game isnt suited for shotgun

Naga siren. Don't give a damn what you say, she's a murder machine.

she's more of a rat machine, but yh, def among the best late game in terms of team value

@Santana
Late-game, going diffusals against Medusa will get you murdered. When I said about Spectres 70% winrate in advantageous conditions, it was about her late-game expensive item-build, without Diffusals or Radiance.
Aside from that, Spectre's best bet against Medusa is an early aggression, in my opinion. While Spectre can fight Medusa in late-game, if the game is going even, Medusa will farm faster. On the other hand, Spectre is incomparable better in terms of joining teamfights and securing kills, so it could give her an edge early.

^ hmmm agreed, something like a satanic would be betr for a 1-on-1. altho keep in mind diff 2 is not completly shit on spec even late game, supports get murdered simply by illusion dmg plus it gives 35 agility.

i would also say that while both heroes have ultis with different uses, both ultis are equally important and game-changing. I still think spec is more of a force to be reckoned with in the late game tho, unless medusa's team can protect a medusa with a rapier safely

Naga and CK are assholes late game, with a heart they just rat every lane xD

If spec has a diffusal she can probably down medusa. If she doesn't then dusa can easily tank her passives.

My favorite is sniper. That range once you have big dmg is just insane, maybe a 6 slotted ck or spec can kill him, but you never fight them 1v1 anyway. Sniper with treads, satanic, butterfly, daedulus, skadi, mkb. mmmmm

Oh I forgot about Tiny. He's freakin sweet against melee heroes cus they keep stunning themselves. Tiny with treads, aghs, ac, satanic, heart, abyssal lol. You aren't killing him as a melee.

Guardian wisp the true late game carry

@FYQQ Why must you hate what I love. Chaos just want people close to him read reality rift :( :( :( :( :(

"chaos knight my ass" :( :( :(

I usually have problems one on one vs other carries with bash when I am playing spec I still kill 3 outa 4 of enemy team tho I guess so still effective . Bash with lifestealer to tuff to one vs one against

Spec rapes the shit out of sniper tho every time .

yh sniper is food for spec but u hav to waste a slot for dust or gem cuz he usually has sb

I tried every carry against spec... Void can fuck up spec in late game if he catch spec in chrono.. Full slot void vs full slot spec.. Proven.. But troll cant fight spec if the bkb runs out even with satanic. Because troll dont have the damage output even he has perma bash... But it all depends on the player... Lol

[Youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJdtwgSRhf8[/youtube]

^ I can confirm that troll will fuck up spectre. Satanic is overkill

I like riki right now, because he fucks around w jugger/troll/sniper in manfights so hard - pop smoke and they waste bkb, you juke bkb 10 sec, mb kill a support, then man fight opponents main in another smoke. worked 3/4 times in 4k trench ( i know its shitty trench ) - even if they bought all kinds of detection.

Naga lategame is super cool lategame if you are into that kind of stuff. Poor supports getting killed by 2 illusions without you noticing and the enemy Juggernaut just getting shred to pieces? Good stuff.