General DiscussionMiddle Chaos Knight

Weakness in mid lane vipers, Brew masters, and razors.

Great against weak low hp heros. Like sniper invoker, pudge(early on), ect..

probably works in trenches other than that not really

Your winrate will improve if you get helm of dominator instead of armlet. Though i would personally not go for it right away but since its in your playstyle (judging byt those games), you should try it

Why helm of dominator?

@Duo probably works in trenches other than that not really. Well i think it works well against the right heros idk what mmr it works not being a high one myself.

Armlet is trash, don't bother making it on ck. I can stomach it on wk and shit heroes like that but it's not suitable for ck. Even noobs like xboct don't get it.

Helm of dominator would replace the armor gain from armlet and give you some lifesteal in exchange for the extra dmg which also serves as the extra hp you get from activating armlet. It opens up woods and makes you last longer too, can stay in lane forever and ever.

Anyway it suits your style and armlet is trash. Just do it and you will get it (if you're at somewhat as good a ck you claim to be)

i've first read your thread title as
- Middle Class Knight

just another day in the life(s) of Middle Class Knight(s)

^ new doto heroes incoming

normal skill doto

can just pick qop and run around nuking people to death, ez wins

Sorry, Benao, but you're wrong.

There's obviously a reason why you are not a pro player, and xboct is.

Lifesteal is very bad on Chaos Knight cause illusions doesn't benefit from it.
Chaos knight is very underwhelming without his ultimate, meaning lifestealing basically does nothing for you, but let you sustain jungle, which armlet also does.

You fight with Chaos Knight. Take objectives when you have ulti, and jungle when you don't have ultimate. Which you don't useless lifesteal for.

Only reason I could see it getting picked up would be to flashfarm with a neutralcreep, and even then it's bad.

Go Treads, Drums, SnY/Blink, SnY/Blink, and you'll see youself at 5,5k + quite rapidly.

:') illusions dont benefit from it?

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH /ContinousLAUGH

Underwhelming without his ultimate? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, Sustain harrasement in lane with lifesteal is bad OK, so is farming woods, Ok.

Fight with ck wtf is this 2k farming skills?

chaos knight mid = i buy 30 couriers

ck mid seems pretty fucking awful since the hero farms terribly and needs to get cs in lane for quick drums/sange/dominator/whatever. You could buy a shield and probably eat harassment from other mid heroes but it's not going to be very good. There are some other melee mids who just want levels or who can kind of control lane like dragon knight with bottle and fire breath, brew with bottle and clap (and brew just wants fast 6), alch sometimes can zone with acid, troll warlord can go ranged and not get zoned out, hits hard, even PA can last hit with dagger and then jump you with pms and blink ability.

CK isn't going to kill anyone early with a rift/stun combo, he just doesn't have dmg, and with his ult cast time they will just back before you get it off. In the meantime he can't control lane at all and he needs farm more than levels since he cannot flash farm up later.

hump... i go treads>drums>armlet>yasha>hod> [SO MANY MIDGAME ITEMS] bkb>manta>heart >satanic > skadi maybe

i used to go sny and ac but i dislike having HH from sny... i am better off with plain yasha for MS bonus and i save cash on sange that i turn into faster bkb/heart.

armlet is cool on ck.

http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1290066951
Chaos knight mid in very high bracket

I don't really get why armlet would be bad, it's the most cost effective str item for any str hero and the illusions directly benefit. The downside for me is it seems hard to sustain farming with it unless you also add lifesteal so it kinda makes hod mandatory.

Every time is see a ck with sanga and yasha i want to kill myself

how is ck doing well against sniper

do u wanna test that matchup tomorrow? no flames or shit, im really interested in playing that out for once

^. Can I play you vs sniper for fun?

Wireless eh?

What's wrong with s&y on ck? Good stat item, good for illusions, gives you a slow to chase peeps down.

yasha is the third best illusion attack speed item in the game after eblade and manta

S&Y is also very easy to farm up (no ingredients more than 1K gold), which is nice for a hero with slow farming abilities.

I'm not quite sure, but somehow I have feeling that long ago CK mid was actually a meta

s&y is a bit of everything, you can go treads, drums/hod/armlet, s&y. It's easy to build and every piece is effective. Hell you could rush it right after treads if you wanted.

Heart you cannot. 3200g reaver is the only part that adds dps. You're going to need some midgame items. So that's the rub I guess, s&y is just far easier to acquire and more impact mid game while heart is obviously a better late game item. But s&y adds probably close to equal dps as heart, heart just has shittons of hp.

the mass of bullshit in this thread is overwhelming..