your brain doesn't actually function so i'll explain it in words even you will understand
icefrog wants 2 things
he wants heroes to be viable and balanced to a certain degree (===adding them to CM)
the balancing is a long process
he cant just change it and let it in because he doesnt know how it will affect the hero
obviously he nerfed him so that he is weaker in pubs you fucking monkey but that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to add him to CM as soon as he's satisfied with the state of the hero
as an example to how your argumentation skills work:
it's like saying he's eating because he doesn't want to starve
and then you come and say shit like nooooo he's eating because he's hungry
sleave when u que with a low MM friend the MM system balances it out by giving the other team a better balance of MM player OR another strong MM player. When u smurf you are manipulating your placement because it cant evaluate to properly. I love the people who are stuck in X rating and say MM is fucked then smurf and get a higher MM and act like MM is working fine now......
"obviously he nerfed him so that he is weaker in pubs you fucking monkey but that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to add him to CM as soon as he's satisfied with the state of the hero"
thanks for proving my point u stupid inbred piece of shit
Earth Spirit actually will probably never get added. He is the only hero in the game to have a silence, a slow, a stun and fucking AoE damage with extreme low cooldowns and generally low manacosts while himself being a very tanky hero. His only problem is his high skill cap but that shouldn't be a problem as we are talking about "pros" here.
youre both so incredibly stupid
i actually dont know how to feel about it
its like you make me feel better about myself by writing this shit but then i feel worse because i realize how fucking sad that is
i even used an analogy but he still doesnt get it
trying one last time: mr regulator this is so you can understand it:
1: I said he wants to slowly adjust earth spirit so that he can eventually add him to cm
2. you say I'm a stupid idiot and that I'm wrong and he just wants him to be worse in pubs ( yes he wanted to make him weaker but that doesn't mean that point 1 is wrong)
3. i explain shit but you're too stupid to comprehend it and actually believe you had a point
tinker is broken because he can die 20 times in the early 15 minutes but when you're going to push, he'll delay the match by 30+ minutes and be 6 slotted until you get bkb, pipe and shit
that is why he is a popular pick, its a safe bet if you want MMR if you can play 50+ minutes long matches
i feel like talking to this kid is a waste of time, i mean he's so wrong and still keeps calling me stupid
this is the last post i will address to you
1. you said icefrog has a few "beta testers" and he doesnt use pubs to balance heroes
2. but then he nerfs earth spirit and adds him to pubs and not CM
3. you realize you were a special kid all along and thats why you were made fun of in school
4. end
also sampson is 3.5k mmr, why is he arguing with a 6k mmr player (u took a break after ranked came out and u were 5.5k which would put you at 6k now if you kept playing)
I understand the reason behind ES not being in CM but Brood still not being in CM is the most retarded shit ever. How will you actually know if a hero is balanced or not if you don't ever see how pro players utilize him? Just put it in. If it gets way too many complaints, tournaments will probably ban themselves anyway.
this has nothing to do with mmr, it's about common sense and comprehension
and the stuff about beta testers and not using pubs was about dota 1 einstein
glad that you've got that one
please keep your word and dont respond any further
the thing about brood is that it's a unique mechanic and stuff like that gets usually implemented in big patches when other heroes from captains mode getting bigger changes as well
deciding if something is OP isn't a democracy, even if it was, most people think tinker is OP. should we believe icefrog when he says tinker is OP, or should we believe a random tinker picker on dotabuff? i think the answer is clear here
not a random tinker picker, but the vast majority of the good players. ask any pro if tinker is broken, for fucks sake. stop acting like I'm the only one who thinks he's not OP
it actually is. He is not a hero anymore. Maybe he is good lategame (with bkb nerf).
I kid, he is beast lategame as he was, but his farming is very much slowed.
eblade is now a projectile which means teammakes can protect against it(shadow demon banish), Tinker also does not become melee immune when he casts it either so he becomes easier to kill
this scum hero is gone for now until someone finds a new item to exploit
it has an 800 cast range and a 1100 projectile speed, an sd isnt gonna protect against it because it travels too fast.
it just means the eb dagon combo requires a bit more timing on the tinker's part rather instead of using 2 abilities with no cast time as fast as possible.
i think he's still fine now, just not super good on radiant compared to dire anymore, he's more predictable in farming patterns since he has 1 less place to go now, and also more greedy because now tinker will have to take more resources from his team early if he wants fast travels
+1 dorkly
gives you some reaction time instead of instantly being btfo'd
IIRC, Spirit Breaker's winrate was actually slightly lesser in the low end of the pubs Dorkly.
why would he nerf earth spirit and still not let him in CM? maybe use your fucking brain before u post
your brain doesn't actually function so i'll explain it in words even you will understand
icefrog wants 2 things
he wants heroes to be viable and balanced to a certain degree (===adding them to CM)
the balancing is a long process
he cant just change it and let it in because he doesnt know how it will affect the hero
obviously he nerfed him so that he is weaker in pubs you fucking monkey but that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to add him to CM as soon as he's satisfied with the state of the hero
as an example to how your argumentation skills work:
it's like saying he's eating because he doesn't want to starve
and then you come and say shit like nooooo he's eating because he's hungry
sleave when u que with a low MM friend the MM system balances it out by giving the other team a better balance of MM player OR another strong MM player. When u smurf you are manipulating your placement because it cant evaluate to properly. I love the people who are stuck in X rating and say MM is fucked then smurf and get a higher MM and act like MM is working fine now......
"obviously he nerfed him so that he is weaker in pubs you fucking monkey but that doesn't mean that he doesn't want to add him to CM as soon as he's satisfied with the state of the hero"
thanks for proving my point u stupid inbred piece of shit
Earth Spirit actually will probably never get added. He is the only hero in the game to have a silence, a slow, a stun and fucking AoE damage with extreme low cooldowns and generally low manacosts while himself being a very tanky hero. His only problem is his high skill cap but that shouldn't be a problem as we are talking about "pros" here.
I would like to thank dotabuff mods for forcing the retards to have a anime avatar to make it easier to spot them.
youre both so incredibly stupid
i actually dont know how to feel about it
its like you make me feel better about myself by writing this shit but then i feel worse because i realize how fucking sad that is
i even used an analogy but he still doesnt get it
trying one last time: mr regulator this is so you can understand it:
1: I said he wants to slowly adjust earth spirit so that he can eventually add him to cm
2. you say I'm a stupid idiot and that I'm wrong and he just wants him to be worse in pubs ( yes he wanted to make him weaker but that doesn't mean that point 1 is wrong)
3. i explain shit but you're too stupid to comprehend it and actually believe you had a point
please tell me how i and where i was wrong here
pushing high ground against tinker is impossible
tinker is broken because he can die 20 times in the early 15 minutes but when you're going to push, he'll delay the match by 30+ minutes and be 6 slotted until you get bkb, pipe and shit
that is why he is a popular pick, its a safe bet if you want MMR if you can play 50+ minutes long matches
i feel like talking to this kid is a waste of time, i mean he's so wrong and still keeps calling me stupid
this is the last post i will address to you
1. you said icefrog has a few "beta testers" and he doesnt use pubs to balance heroes
2. but then he nerfs earth spirit and adds him to pubs and not CM
3. you realize you were a special kid all along and thats why you were made fun of in school
4. end
also sampson is 3.5k mmr, why is he arguing with a 6k mmr player (u took a break after ranked came out and u were 5.5k which would put you at 6k now if you kept playing)
I understand the reason behind ES not being in CM but Brood still not being in CM is the most retarded shit ever. How will you actually know if a hero is balanced or not if you don't ever see how pro players utilize him? Just put it in. If it gets way too many complaints, tournaments will probably ban themselves anyway.
I want legion on CM
legion wont be put in cm because its more broken than bat atm
does any1 remember drows ulti and cents ulti when it was a stun and global dmg boost
icefrog asked maelk and bulba for nerfs
this has nothing to do with mmr, it's about common sense and comprehension
and the stuff about beta testers and not using pubs was about dota 1 einstein
glad that you've got that one
please keep your word and dont respond any further
the thing about brood is that it's a unique mechanic and stuff like that gets usually implemented in big patches when other heroes from captains mode getting bigger changes as well
slark has a unique mechanic too, he was taken out and thrown in pubs to see what creative things players would do with him then put him back in
bye bye tinkerino
tinker not op thats why he didnt get nerfed this patch guys
he was only OP in pubs -_- Good thing icefrog only balances based off pros -_-
godmode visage drow or visage tinker strats
didnt get nerfs
ODD
because icefrog is always right
even if icefrog isn't always right he still has the last word so if he says something is op, it's op
this trash player is falling fast
your arguments are pretty bad
deciding if something is OP isn't a democracy, even if it was, most people think tinker is OP. should we believe icefrog when he says tinker is OP, or should we believe a random tinker picker on dotabuff? i think the answer is clear here
not a random tinker picker, but the vast majority of the good players. ask any pro if tinker is broken, for fucks sake. stop acting like I'm the only one who thinks he's not OP
Does it matter now ? the funny thing is that he will not see competitive play anymore and pub tinker is not as nerfed as you all think.
it actually is. He is not a hero anymore. Maybe he is good lategame (with bkb nerf).
I kid, he is beast lategame as he was, but his farming is very much slowed.
You still can recover farming jungle instead of ancients, is slower but still .....
I am pretty sure he will get some minor buff the next patch though.
eblade is now a projectile which means teammakes can protect against it(shadow demon banish), Tinker also does not become melee immune when he casts it either so he becomes easier to kill
this scum hero is gone for now until someone finds a new item to exploit
The eblade nerf means that is easier to blink from it, but being honest this will not change my pub as much
Anyway, they nerfed void to the fucking ground so i am overall happy with the patch
it has an 800 cast range and a 1100 projectile speed, an sd isnt gonna protect against it because it travels too fast.
it just means the eb dagon combo requires a bit more timing on the tinker's part rather instead of using 2 abilities with no cast time as fast as possible.
i think he's still fine now, just not super good on radiant compared to dire anymore, he's more predictable in farming patterns since he has 1 less place to go now, and also more greedy because now tinker will have to take more resources from his team early if he wants fast travels
+1 dorkly
gives you some reaction time instead of instantly being btfo'd
I am going to get 70 % winrate with nerfed tinker fuck it
Tinker is dead now, get fucked tinker pickers.
Yea gl coming into my jungle with ur 15 min bots. Ill be long gone by then.
I am PRETTY sure tinker is still going to work in pubs
As long as they dont nerf blink on him he is still going to find his place
Tinker just got shit on.
Edit: i'm happy about it personally.
he is panicking trying to pick other heroes
just stack the big camp and get the BoT on min 10 instead of 8, no problem
yo can even stack the big and medium camp with march
edit: on radiant, i dont know if its posible on dire
gg retarded tinkers. go win some more games befor u cry :)
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/916295494
5k player right here LOL