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General DiscussionSo can someone point out what i could do to win this game?

So can someone point out what i could do to win this game? in General Discussion
Fay

    Some tower damage? i tried to push but i couldn't make it somehow.
    If i split push we couldn't defend and i was afraid to trade rax :/

    UserName

      Love BS's item build.

      sleave

        as PL you dont even have to be in the lane you intend to split push, you just send an illusion there and stay with your teammates

        Fay

          ^
          Yep i did that and i got criticised by them.
          They told me to go to other lane and push.
          I mean like what :(

          King of Low Prio

            -replace BKB with manta it breaks both silences
            -you have extremely low game impact (if you are going to get diffusal then you should be fighting)

            thats about all I can get from match id without actually watching it (and its a hour match so I prob wont :P)

            Fay

              Well the reason why i died was mostly because chrono -> mystic flare -> Ravage
              I had to go BKB or i would not make it.
              Unfortunately i realised this too late :/

              Phenomenal

                From the tower dmg alone and your hero dmg you barely pushed anything and had pretty low game impact. Also i agree with Sampson, you should have bought Manta instead BKB and at that time as main carry you should be full slotted. You surely could have done a lot more and win the game.

                Julien

                  Pick a hero that is not bad. PL is supposed to be a lategame beast but even his late sucks.

                  Fay

                    I really tried to push :cry:
                    but somehow they always successfully counter my illusion even with heart.

                    This is why i decided to play illusion based hero again though
                    I felt like from my past 100 games i haven't played any pusher hero.

                    Just 5 months and i already forgot how to play PL and pusher properly :cry:

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                    sleave

                      what you could have done, since people in pubs suck is:

                      go to another lane, push with your illusions and stay there hidden in the trees with your hero.. after they counter push a bit usually people dont pay attention to that lane anymore, so you push again and take the towers.. if you see a tp coming walk away invisible and tp (you had bots)

                      maybe this way you could ve won but i dont really know so

                      Fay

                        http://dotabuff.com/matches/804009704

                        finally man i won as PL
                        both were very long ass game 1:10 mins +
                        so PL is confirmed sucks now? :(
                        or i'm just bad with PL?

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                        Wink

                          pl is weak, he is shut down by dust and is only useful super late into the game which doesnt even matter if the enemy team counterpicks you with one of like 1000000 counters.

                          Current counters to PL:

                          Sven, Earthshaker, LC, Zeus, Slark, Spectre, BH, BS, Doom, Ember, Gyro, Kunkka, Magnus, Medusa, Tiny, Omniknight

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                          Fay

                            ^
                            So what is the current popular pub's illusion heroes?
                            TB is far better than PL?

                            Wink

                              ive had success with naga lately, ive seen tb get huge and also fail miserably, but i dont see him enough to have a real opinion.

                              yiran

                                I think you're just unlucky. When I was on a quest to win at least 1 game with every hero Riki took my 9 tries because I lost the first 8. Riki. At 3k MMR.

                                Anyway, in the first game, you obviously didn't play perfectly, but you definitely played above your teammates' level but sometimes you're just not pro enough to balance out the scrubbiness of your team. I attribute to all my recent lost games (other than Earth Spirit fuck him) to this as well.

                                http://dotabuff.com/matches/803885033
                                Tell them to b after taking mid rax, don't listen, I'm the only one that escapes, we get counterraxed 2 lanes because the fast respawning supports fed while trying to defend the first lane before carries respawned

                                http://dotabuff.com/matches/803152632
                                Low impact lineup lategame after bkbs are up… and we had a bad early game. Couldn't do much other than blame myself for picking Ember instead of some harder carry

                                http://dotabuff.com/matches/797577116
                                Won game lost by abandoning teammate

                                So, sometimes although you can do something to win a particular game you lost, you need to recognise that you may have made mistakes that cost you the game but the burden of the loss still wasn't on you but an unreliable performance by team.

                                Fay

                                  ok i just read patch note and PL got nerfed 3 times in a row.
                                  GGWP PL FUCK ALLIANCE

                                  R301

                                    What if PL gets well farmed for whatever reason? How do you fight against him in late game and how do you clear his huge amount of illusions quickly?

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                                    Fay

                                      pick antipush? :laugh:

                                      Metallicize

                                        You had bootsotravel and you pushed less than pugna :) work on this.