General DiscussionFarming items. Thoughts and tips

it is a common misconception that getting a midas late (10-15min mark) is wrong. This is not the case unless the enemy team pushing to end the game early. A midas can help you catch up after a weaker start.

^Good point there, but I was talking about situations where the guy has a gloves of haste in his inventory and is still trying to buy the recipe.

It is a common misconception that getting Midas actually helps you to farm. Indeed, early Midas could give you quite an advantage over enemy, but this done mostly via XP gain, which is actually good. Counting by numbers, Midas used for gold gain will repay itself after about a half of hour, will negatively affect farming ability for 'bout 10 minutes and will give you item penalty equal to time you spent farming for it. This also does not takes in account farming potential lost via not spending this gold on items.
So, for example of positive farming Midas usage:
Let's assume you've got your Midas at 6th minutes mark. In most cases you now have your itembuild from zero minute, with some extra AS (it coud be good on some heroes at this point, it could be useless on others). If you were ahead (and you obviously were) this will probably make you ~equal to an enemy now. But after 12th minute on, you'll restore your previous advantage and after 16th minute - you will have much easier time buying items, which is actually pretty early. In such case you can even afford yourself to sell it somewhere at 30 minutes mark and get a great gold boost, possibly ending the game.
But the later you get it the bigger your penalty becomes and it grows exponentially.

Aside from that, other items is more about hero you're using. On Void I would prefer Mael, on PA - Battlefury.

'It is a common misconception that getting Midas actually helps you to farm.'

if the higher levels helps you farm faster then midas does give you a farming advantage

u dont farm in pubs

after laning stage ends group up as 5 and push down throne

^^ I do agree with this statement, but there's very few cases where I can see lvl advantage Midas can give outweighting item advantage you could have without it.

If your farm is already good midas increases it. If your farm is poor sinking money into midas prevents you from getting other necessary items. Hence why everyone says if you can get that midas early do it, otherwise don't.

Your question is really extremely general, it all depends on the hero. Vlad's is a good farming item on some for example.

Midas gives you reliable gold which you don't lose when dying.

I'm talking about those 4 items. Which do you think are best on which hero (obviously battlefury on melee) and when do you like to pick it up, also, a personal rating of yours on which is the best to increase your GPM.

Battlefury isn't necessarily the best on all melee. There's a trend towards mjollnir's on void lately. It really depends on your team setup and theirs. Only hero I would battlefury all the time is AM.

There isn't a hero I would always radiance on either but it's situationally good on spectre, doom and bloodseeker, very good on LD's bear.

Well battlefury of course still core for hero like AM and Ember, optional for PA and Juggernaut.. other than that is a big no no.

Midas well.. when was the last time i got this item hmm... since it got nerfed i never built it ever since lol, it delays game i don't like it.

Maelstorm and mjolnir is my favourite item for carry or semi carry lately, it got buffed at 6.81 it let you process another lightning even before the first lightning hasn't finished yet so it's quite powerful at the moment. Core for someone like (Void, Sniper, WK, or Slardar)

Radiance, For hero like Naga and Spectre is core i think? I feel like naga who doesnt build one is not powerful enough.
Since i never build Radiance on my LD and i have LD as my most played hero i don't want to say it's core on the bear cause it just mean i'm lying

I forgot about ember, I never play that guy.

I always build midas on doom, other than that I kind of hate when people build it cus it delays when you'll be effective by sooo much. On doom I can jungle midas in 7 mins, have phase boots and vlads a bit later, 12 minutes maybe? He's super effective then by 12 mins. Other guys like when void goes crazy midas and battlefury, he's not ready to fight til like 25 mins.

You really like mjollnir on wk and slardar more than an AC? AC is so amazing on str heroes who need IAS. The armor is so good with their naturally high hp pool. I kinda like mjollnir on DK, but not sure about slardar/WK.

Radiance is not core on Spectre, there's a couple different ways spectre can build, I think three common builds off the top of my head, one involves radiance. One is rush radiance, farm other core items like diffusal, manta etc. Other is rush your core diffusal + manta. Last one is skadi core, no diffusal. The second two builds you can squeeze vanguard in there first, on radiance one it delays you too much.

Well i don't see AC included in the discussion but yeah AC would be great.
Ohh i see. I'm not a good spectre and naga player.
I care about KDA soo much that i lost those games -.-

I'm not a great spectre playing either, I'm just rehashing from other threads the general consensus. You can build radiance first, or just go core diffusal/manta, or you can make skadi core. Spectre is more flexible than people think.

And you are probably right, mjollnir is a better pure farming item on WK, slardar, DK because of the aoe on creep waves but WK, slardar and DK aren't farming heroes. I mean they need farm to be effective yes, but the are effective early with just one or two items and should be engaging in fighting then, not farming in the sense that luna or void or AM need to farm. For example, WK gets treads and armlet, time to fight. Slardar gets treads and blink or armlet, time to fight. You get the idea. That's why I think I'd prefer AC, better team fight option on those heroes imo.

I not sure if Spectre needs any farming item at all. I am by no means a good Spectre player (I am terrible), but my last game with her showed me that she gets quite alot of money on assists only even with a goddamn terrible start.

that's a common misconcept that midas give you gold.

Midas gives you xp, it only give you gold in closed game, were nothing happen.
In open game, it just unallow you to go every where you could to farm.

High mana regen items like sac stone can help heroes like timbersaw/krob/necro with a low cd nuke farm forever.

Well spectre still needs to farm but people underestimate how strong she is simply with dispersion and desolate. It's a big reason vanguard is actually fine on her cus she gets so much dps from her abilities. You can catch a carry alone with just treads at lvl ~12 and win most times. Of course most aren't stupid enough to fight you with desolate active.