General Discussion[Discussion] Bambi/Enchantress

Tread->Urn->Aghanim->MoM

im not saying its conventional but as an item i found drums to be OK in my most recent attempt with her, combined with the speed aura creep it really lets you position well early, but ive always been fond of just rushing an orchid after an urn and wards etc though i could see the case for aghs rush ive never liked getting midas on her though..

My skill build depends on my enemies. I usually go 1 level in each then max E first then Q and leave 1 level on W especially if the team fights consistently start away from the jungle. (It's kind of hard to always keep creeps on Ench). The levels on W, I feel, are dependent on how active you want to be on the map. The 2-2-2 build or just leaving one level on Q then maxing W and E first would seem like the way to go.

I go 2-2-2 or 2-1-2 then Max Q if I'm going against a heavy dps lineup.

Obviously R is taken whenever possible haha.

Item choices Boots -> Urn/Treads (Depends on what you need more. I usually take urn first especially if there are a lot of kills happening already)

Items after that are always dependent on the game. Mek can be taken if there aren't other mek carriers. Pipe if there's too much burst. (Because Ench is basically a walking creep with heroes like lion on the field).

Also, I love Aghs on Ench. It makes her more relevant in the mid-late.

Not sure if diffusal would be worth it, but I think Atos would synergize well with her skills.

Don't play her as a hard 5 role.

She's one of those weird heroes with funny phases; she does well early without items thanks to enchant but quickly falls out in mid game without farm.

Early game: Non-item dependent support.
Mid game: Item-dependent support.

Srs. No items mid game she's a squishy with only a slow as her disable, dishes out mediocre damage and her healing spell isn't very reliable during teamfights.

Thats why MoM and Aghanim is good on her.

stop playing her as a 5

She can be pretty massive dmg dealer if she gets some farm (aghanim, orchid, mom, bloodstone, etc). I dont like her as a support, although she has great heal, pretty good slow and she's hard to die due to her great skills.

^It's not very hard to die as Enchantress if the enemy team has nukes cause your hp pool is so low.

If I meet someone jungling Enchantress for 10min without doing anything, I go afk, press Move button on them and probably loses us the game.

Yesterday I had an Enchantress going 0-3-0 at 23min mark, and this is not the "damage dealer" you pick if you want to carry.
So fuck off to everybody picking enchantress to farm midas and afk jungle the entire game instead of taking advantage of fucking creeps and help out other lanes, yh. Fuck off to you guys.

^ Cannot agree more. I don't think I've ever won with an Enchantress rushing midas in my team nor lost against one either.

Also, so many damned nicknames.

^has to change otherwise people will dodge me sice I throw/stop play games due to idiots, like those picking enchantress to farm midas to get aghs and shit.

EDIT: dunno if I should say throw, I've dropped so much mmr that I don't even bother playing when I meet guys like this.

I don't know anyone who plays her as a 5. They always play her as a 2 or 3, going midas, aghs, IAS items like mjollnir or mask. It sucks really cus no one ever sees enchantrees and picks supports, they always try to make her a 5 and we lose. Enchantress mid can be quite good.

but why go mid with Enchantress? Rather put a more scaling/higher impact/higher dmg/anything and help win the lane.

Cus with a quick lvl 6 she can go gank side lines quite well, crazy dmg and range on that ult shot.

smoke is enchantress favourite item lol

Bambi starts as a 4, transitions to 3 or maybe even 2 for mid/lategame.
Midas rush is almost always a no though haha.
Diffusal and atos not worth it I don't think.

she can gank side lanes even better with a creep in the early-early game? Don't you agree?

How can she gank well at 6? It's rather easy to predict enchantress is ganking and hero is slow/no mobility. Pointless, only a dummy would get ganked by a mid enchantress!!!!

Kite stick is right on her correct? I start as 5 normally, smoke + crow + wards + clarity starting items
boots >stick >urn >wand >Kite stick >Treads>Aghs >bkb is the build I;ve been using. Keeping wards and smoke on cd, etc. She can fit the 5 role well, however she gets so much farm that it's not really a 5 anymore. just because you have insane burst/lock at lvl 1-2 you're nearly always guaranteed 1-2 kills.

@soeasy that's like saying only a dummy would get ganked by a mid pudge or a mid shadowfiend (neither of them have mobility) but it happens. I don't know if mid is ideal over jungle I'm just saying I have seen it done effectively and I don't mean like rubick mid effective just go grab levels, I mean she is a legit mid. She is hard to kill early with the heals and the slow and lvl 6 means you can probably kill their mid if he over extends.

yeah only dummies are gank by a mid pudge or mid sf.....omg hasted pudge #$@#RFDRYGWF fresh meat!

Yeah don't play her as a 5. You can play her as a 5, but she will never be a 5. She scales better with items otherwise she becomes useless. Keep certain core items in your build (stick/urn/wand/boots), but don't build the same items every single game.

Aghs may be a core item, but get it later in the game either as a 3rd or 4th item. Don't rush it if your team lacks disables. I'd rather get a hex/orchid. Only bkb if they have a lot of nukes otherwise I don't really think it's *that* worth getting because you should always stand towards the back anyway.

@Mark, Enchantress ganks are far more reliable when she's coming in from the jungle. Also, she can't reliably push the mid lane (what are you going to do, enchant a creep in your mid then push? If you do that you lose xp/gold. Even if you get from your medium camp, it's not that reliable.) That being said, I can see how it is hard to zone her out of mid. Going 2-1-2 would probably guarantee her enough sustain unless she is against some heavy nuker like SF. But the scaling of Ench compared to other mids is a bit eh, and it's not like she can crush the other mid hero.