General Discussionplus member help please

to be frank if you have over a 60% win rate with meepo and over 50 games, you can probably be safe to say you are gud dota and are in the top 50

i wanna be top 50 :(

someone link me ploxxxxxxxx

@xLesser: what you said is not true at all. top50 = DBR. This guy has started playing 8 months ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think DBR was already over by that time. If this is true, this guy has no chance of being in the top50 even if he has 1000 games with 100% winrate. And even if he had a DBR, it wouldn't be enough to be in the top50, by the look of his overall stats.
That's why I want a new algorithm for top50, as said in these topics:
http://dotabuff.com/topics/2013-10-29-top-50-luna
http://dotabuff.com/topics/2013-10-29-top-50-discussion

But whatever, people just don't seem interested. Admins say nothing about the issue. Topics like "huehue MM is so bad" have 50 posts and my top50 discussion has only a few. I won't insist in the matter, looks like people like the actual system.

^ because in that way some none-very high bracket guy will get in top 50 and everyone bitches about it as of now most very high brackets tend to bash lower brackets because the think they are better. Doing that will probably anger the 30 game 5 stack with a hero assholes

^exactly. I don't understand why he can't get that through his head.

Weighted/ranked wins/losses is the ONLY way in which a top 50 thingo can work.

Under your system sano. Two different players, both play hero X, and get the same score in 1 match.
One plays against DK. One plays against [insert random normal bracket team here].
They have the same rating for that hero.

lol

Well, I want examples of people who have around 70% winrate with a hero in like 100+ games with high KDA and play normal bracket
Because I don't know any case of this ever happening

OP has a 73% win rate with meepo, which is higher than notail's, although lower KDA.

The two aren't even remotely comparable though.

Or you can just look at grimorum's 50% win rate account because he intentionally loses half his matches to keep in a relatively low level so he can stomp with invoker. I recall another person doing this with Kunkka too.

@Terrible: low KDA would make very difficult for him to be in the top50, as well as low number of games

I know any algorithm without MMR is flawed, my point is that we need a new one who doesnt need a variable that DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE aka DBR
If there was a way of making a new DBR I would give total support, but by the looks of it, admins are not working on it
Relentless said he's working on an algorithm, though. Let's hope he creates something good.

Ok, you clearly don't get the point, its probably time that you dropped DotA and went to school.

The first step is to have a goal in mind. What you want to do, is create the most accurate top 50 list as possible, at least that is my guess. If there is something stopping you from doing that with any degree of accuracy, aka no rating system, then you are just going to waste your time, because your list will be wrong. Any list can be inaccurate, but your list will be very far off the pace. Its not just about top 50 either, it needs to rank everyone with some degree of accuracy for it to be worthwhile system. If it is giving an unfair advantage to someone (or undeserved/unearned), then its not good. So you can either (a) wait for a rating system to be generated, or (b) create your own algorithm.

Your list is putting Grimorum's invoker: http://dotabuff.com/players/125168907

ferrari_430 http://dotabuff.com/players/88585077
dendi http://dotabuff.com/players/70388657
iceiceice http://dotabuff.com/players/84772440

On any decent list, Girmorum wouldn't make the top 50 (with that account at least) because he is playing in much lower level games than these players.

Your system is almost as dumb as creating a rating system which uses win rate instead of weighted wins and losses.

Ok, then I won't discuss here anymore. I need to go to school. Thanks.

well the current system is not even working soooo.....

I sense hostility in this post, the anger is strong in this one. and honestly i don't even know why you call me a stacker, i play with 2 friends and we are just good. It seems you are not.