General DiscussionYet another question about matchmaking

Most of my games are challenging, we have to think methods of winning teamfight, or the way to bait.
Maybe you might try to get higher bracket.

Few days ago I won like this. (enemy team has 12k gold advantage, I was BH)
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/919022571253044718/EAEABDBB18BAAD21765C37D5209667704FD0242D/

Lol you're not alone.
On the past 3days I had 57% WR.
155-110 Win-Loss,
166-138 Now 54% and going south

Got so many winning streaks because my teammates were at an equal skill of me. If not, higher.
On every 5 games I won 4-5 of them.
Now Every 5 games I lose 4-5 of them.
Got a Spec teammate that only had Phase and Quelling on Minute 24, and it was on Very High.

I don't know if its just me getting weaker or its just the matchmaking trolling me

thats valves mm for you lack of brackets is main reason behind 'being stuck with retards' despite high wr + amount of wins matter a lot when u play alone because most of the time u will be matched with people that have 300 wins more or less than you

It's %50 strat. If you win you are pro so they give you noobs. If you lose you are noob so they give you pros that will carry your ass. Easy isn't it?

There are players who have MMR so high that it is not possible to put similar ranked players on their team in solo que in a 2 min time span. For some people the only way to balance them in a 2 min que might be to balance them with much lower ranked players, but when you que into Normal level games that is not the case.

For anyone playing in Normal bracket...even at the very top of Normal there are still over a million players at or above your level. Those players are certainly going to be on your team and if you were really significantly out performing your allies you would be able to win despite their mistakes. A million other dota 2 players can do it. Of course 5.5 million can't. If you can't, don't worry about it and be happy that long term you can still win half the games...but don't deceive yourself into thinking you are being held back by nubs. It is possible to carry them, many would consider it easy. If you are "stuck in Normal with nubs" it is really because you are not outplaying them by very much.

You cannot change the performance of your allies. There is no doubt they will make tons of mistakes, but you can't change that. You can only change your own mistakes. If you want to improve you have to blame yourself. If it is not your fault that you lost, then its hopeless. So convinced yourself that it is your fault. Then it is possible to change it by changing what you do.

Relentless is right. I can't carry scrubs to a win, not good enough and I know it. I have friends who can though, I've seen them do it, and that's why they play in high/very high. You're probably just a competent player where a couple bads drag you down.

wow, thanks for the insights. and yes, i must be THAT good to not be bothered by what my teammates are doing and still win, but as i have to work and study while having dota as my pastime, i dont have ample time to deal with kids that does not even know what to do, at least that's what bots are for, right? solo queue is just..head scratching. to carry teammates on a solo queue, you are forced to play snowball heroes, opposite to what i want as fun: supporting. back in my MMORPG days i like priests (Ragnarok), shamans (Ran Online), majesties (Dragon Nest) and so on, but here in dota, playing is supposed to be fun, but with teammates who have trouble finding letter Q.. oh my.. maybe stacking is the way to go, or go full-time dota player and climb to higher bracket with pure dedication. fuck work, fuck studies hahah lol, but thanks anyway

Right, the solution really is to figure out a way to stack more. Unfortunately it is still quite difficult for most people to find enough players to stack with at the moment they want to play. I have been playing around with number of different ideas on how to make a system that will make it easy to find an appropriate stack...the trouble is...how to make one that Valve will not notice and immediately destroy.

What Relentless says is like matchmaking religion for me. I am definitely in it. We can even create church with Relentless as a pope.

I think the biggest problem is that you guys often blame the wrong people. How often do I hear "omg OD lose mid noob". If you have an attitude like this, it's no wonder that you lose games.

Pick heroes who can gank in the midgame snowball and carry ..... With OD you can easily control mid and sniwball pretty fast .... spirit breaker you just gank as soon as you hit lvl 6. Dont pick supports ..... and if you do so pick agresive supports ....

Or pick necrolyte .... best hero in this game <3

@Outworld D. Dragon

Holy shit man i like OD a lot but not a that level ...... 2 K games .... you know what fun is ? dont you feel bad about yourself ?

There are certain hero's that will take u to very high lvl mm, I picked them to reach there. Pick treant when u have shadow fiend, weaver as an ally. Sb against nature prophet, tinker and invisi hero as an opponent. Recently i have fallen back to High mm coz i am doing random these days. You have to adjust your hero picks too like what pushing/ganking power your team has and how u can contribute to it. If u have good gameplay u will always get high mm and occasional very high. With good hero picks you can be in very high tier

say what you want guys, but by playing support like me the whole time, you'll get stuck there forever.. (in normal)

1. you wont be able to make them better players even if you support like a god (not sayin i am one ofc)
2. if shit hits the fan, as a support you wont be able to outcarry anyone

one of the last games i had to "carry" with rubick...
wasent a pleasent experience

so the only possible solution as someone mentioned some time ago is to take a carry and maybe go woods, like with lycan

well often in normal games and occasionally in high tier supports go items rather than warding and dewarding. i just checked your last game u don't have any wards. Well in very high tier supports only have boots and magic stick and they spam wards till 25 min and even if we get towers and stuff they still wont have money for force staff. Coz they buy smokes and help us maintain map control and encourage us to gank with it. check yourself if you do those stuffs.

"Well in very high tier supports only have boots and magic stick and they spam wards till 25 min and even if we get towers and stuff they still wont have money for force staff."

That happens to me every game i try to support .... the things is my team mates still die ( even with map vision ) and we dont really take advance of the fact that we have wards and they dont. Then the games goes longer and i have almost 0 items because of the constant warding, supporting and letting space for my carries to farm .... meanwhile enemies supports ( who dont buy wards and spent a lot of time farming ) get something like a aghanims or some other big item.

You don't have to go that build if you are the only support in the game. then you go for meka and avoid smoke ganks early game and always ask semi carry to help you. If you are picking right hero and providing vision teammates should die less and what you are referring to would be in occasional games. Most of times you should have brought your team an advantage. (Picking the right hero imo will add 30% additional wins for some time till you reach very high tier)

@Ipwngays
Thanks for the input. Maybe the last game might not be a prime example although i bought a lot wards, but if you check the last, say 10 games, you'll see that i usually don't have items because i am the main warder/dewarder in the group.

I don't have any problems with warding, nor being so to say "item-less" because of that. I actually enjoy to see my team members growing in power to win.

The point is that is usually not appreciated or utilized at all. People just roam and feed mindlessly, then shout at you for not buying enough wards when they are still on cool-down

just check this picks... http://dotabuff.com/matches/320551591

sure you can saw it is viable, but definitely not a good pick. I was "forced" to go some sort of carry mode and even had an advantage early game, but it just went to shit after 20 minutes ofcourse

@Dorkly
Exactly my toughs and experiences

use your brain and execute! thats being a good support not buying a bunch of useless shit and moving like a fucking retard feeding around the map

@Benao
"use your brain and execute! thats being a good support not buying a bunch of useless shit and moving like a fucking retard feeding around the map"
You point being? we are not talking about being retarded here, if you don't have anything to contribute with, don't even bother posting useless crap

if u have problems with others feeding then pick a carry, like medusa do ancients farm till 15 min. win game and repeat till you get to next lvl or go for lifestealer jungle, nature's prophet jungle or tinker ancients. well if u still cant win then my friend you also got some problem of making excuses. you have to take steps if u want to come above normal lvl tier crowd and yes its not easy or everyone would be in high.

I don't usually play carry, but i might as well go for it now. At least till i get out of this crap.

"use your brain and execute! thats being a good support not buying a bunch of useless shit and moving like a fucking retard feeding around the map"

I dont know who are you talking about . I really dont think you are understand what we are talking about here.

Yeah if you lose you are a noob , next time be better ......... really good advice Benao ......next level psychology

wow u r rly retard
then i suggest you stick to carries as u can be successful even though u r retarded

HAHAHAHA @Benao getting owned

I had a dragon knight in my team, lvl9 without ult, and a witch doctor, bought nothing but clarity and salve. The other side was even worse, they only one that know how to play this game is omni...

"wow u r rly retard
then i suggest you stick to carries as u can be successful even though u r retarded"

It cost me a little bit decipher what you wrote here. Really good argument too .... I guess there is some people you just cant talk with.

You really seem like a nice and mature person.

Anyway .... I dont think matchmaking is something easy to adjust. Probably the wait would be longer if they try to balance more the matchs.

@Dorkly
Yeah, personally i think it'll take quite some time, if they ever decide to adress it..

kinda sad tho

I noticed that too. When I'm on a winning steak. Everybody has open profiles and 500+ wins. When I'm on losing about 80% of the profiles are private and under 300 hours played.

Also dota 2 keeps me in losing streak by matching me with lower tier losers. Such as 48 and 47% win rate people. Seriously WTF! When I'm 50.5%. I mean if you play alot you will notice there is a HUGE difference in gameplay if you play people in 47-48% and everbody above 50% winrate.

Aside from your peev. My next one is being the best player on one team. Being a balance to other people on other team. So For example it's you and 4 noobs. While other team has 2-3 semi good players and noobs. I seriously just ending up with 8-10 losing streak. Follow by 5-6 winning streak.

i think the quality of players you match with stabilize when you get more games. now i have 1000 games played and this month my longest winning and losing streak are 5/4. this week it is 3/3. my all time record is 13/9 which was a long way back. often i can tell i have an influence on the result of the game. when i lose i sort of know i performed poorly

play a game for 50 minutes, manage to win

play next game for 20 minutes and lose.

It really hurts my head, also when i am placed in solo queue as first played in the team (blue or pink) and i am the best player there (if it's even possible that the rating for solo queue works like that as someone sometimes ago suggested) i feel very sad, and in fact i almost always lose since i play support and get feeding carries etc.

@我是不哭鱼
Not sure it works like that mate, although id like it to be true.
1240 games here approx, and still huge differences btw teams