General Discussionbf on void. any good?

only in a wombo-combo that can set you up for a rampage in chrono like magnus or enigma

and even then its bad

It wasn't even good back when before his abilities got reworked and he was played exclusively as a hard carry with MoM.

Any single dps item like diffusal manta maelstrom is more effective than bf for void since ur never gonna get ur dream chrono of 4 ppl in it standing next ti each other so that u can cleave the shit out of them..
Better to pick off cores with high single target dps

If you're playing void as a safelane hard carry, get something like a mjollnir, gives tons of attack speed for your bashes and procs chain lightning to everybody in chrono. You should be getting items that allow you to do the most amount of damage during chrono.

thx for comments. will surely try it out

You buy battlefury to farm faster not to hope for 5 enemies to stack up for a rampage

makes me feel bad for buying bfury 6th item on pa after game of relentless snowball to spread those 2k crits

"It wasn't even good back when before his abilities got reworked and he was played exclusively as a hard carry with MoM."
It wasn't that bad, MoM was for midgame fighting build, while BF was for late-game where he can just land 4 man chrono and cleave them to death with all the items
Now, it's fucking dogshit, you need dagger to land your dream chrono, and even then you're stuck with 2 choices, use up a slot for dagger to land your perfect chrono, but doesn't deal that much damage, or go full dps but couldn't get the perfect chrono

Now I only buy it against illusion heroes

It looks good as a cosmetic only.

just go vlads diffusal or the dumb linkens build man

vlad dif manta is plenty of dps

i played a few games of echo sabre BF void and its honestly so terrible, you farm fast but thats it

bf void is dead

so better maelstorm and rush mjollnir than bf for void?

no buy diffusal blade vlads and manta you fuck

void needs hp and slows so he can abuse his q, diffusal lets him remove silences. just having mj= squishy hero with same dps and vlad diffu but way less utility and no lifesteal

i guess u can get those items with bf. you still has 5 free item slot. ;d

you cant just spend 4500 gold on a farming item and be sure you have the same impact every game

if it goes full retard and u have mid ricing alch + jungle axe/lc both afk farming u may either have bfury diffu yasha or vlad diffu manta, huge difference

yes ure right dude. but if game go retard u cant really 1vs9 and u pretty much lost the game and having vlad not gonna help anybody. but when i play void as carry. i either goes for vang - radiance - dif- manata build or bf manta dif butterfly build.
vlad is a good item but when you goes offlane and u rely on your team damge inside the chrono. but in pubs well, the only damge is your right clicks. and i love ring of aquila which i get instead of vlad. it's amazing.

i like vlads because i can bully my team into taking rosh lol

You don't have to go farming items to keep up in farm, do PA's fail to farm cus they go deso over battlefury? I mean they can't afk farm and stay ahead but it's not like they can't effectively clear a jungle either.

Void with manta farms just fine and fights a lot better than maelstrom void.

"yes ure right dude. but if game go retard u cant really 1vs9 and u pretty much lost the game and having vlad not gonna help anybody."
http://www.dotabuff.com/players/69632504/matches?date=all&hero=faceless-void&lobby_type=ranked_matchmaking&enjoyment=any&timezone=Asia%2FJakarta
I'm pretty sure most of them are 1v9
Some heroes are just not designed to afk farming, and void is one of them

What about the linken's diffu manta void? Is it any better than vlads?

diffu manta lets you farm, deal damage, and sustain yourself
BF lets you farm
Mjolnir lets you farm and deal damage
Easy to say which build is superior

mjolnir build?

Linken is cool on safelane void
Vlad helps you rosh and linken helps you to counter initiate
Build depends on your playstyle and enemy's composition

vlads are void ofdlane void safe is this

treads sphere diusal manta aghanim ac blink

^ i think the linkens build is complete shit fam

i go vlad difu on safelane void always

Both are equally good imo, some matches favours linken more, while some favours vlad more
It all goes down to playstyle and preference

Linkens rush sounds just awfully, terrible build up, no dmg.

the buildup is fine but you cant rosh and you have 0 kill potential

and void lifesteals a fuckton

my understanding is it enhances his split pushing but you cant split push against mirana without feeding anyway (in my experience)

Getting dif and manta is a must. I just dont know which is better first. building vlad or bf or linken. Its maybe situational.

Btw my fav build is vangaurd radiance build that i saw in a navi match. I just mute everyone until late game.

true sphere dont have dmg ast start first pick sphere
but still i watch pros they go first sphere cause they can get in 16 min and it can set up good chorno and survive good

I love vanguard on void . I don't build any of the other waga items tho unless you count manta .

Only make radi if the enemy is kitable and doesn't have fuckton of burst damage
VG is fine however

With BF you'll be afk farming during your power spike (when you get your chrono up to mid-late game) which is something you don't want to do
Same like PA
I havy only played 2 games with her, and on both I built BF
Needless to say it sucks and doesn't fit her playstyle

Sometimes id make radi if team doesnt have it.

Played a fair bit of void, mostly off lane. Honestly your item build is extremely versatile and you shouldn't be building the same cookie cutter items each game. One thing I can say though is that Battle Fury is fucking awful, Mjonlir is a much better choice as both items do similar things but you should by no means be rushing it.

Mjo is too chrono reliant
You're still squishy and kitable with it

Anyway traf, if you're really that desperate for a farming tool, iron talon exists
Jungling with talon and tread switching is good enough for you to stay at the top of the net worth chart even if you teamfight alot