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General DiscussionHow does calibration work?

How does calibration work? in General Discussion
Kanye East

    Hi there!

    Might be a stupid question, but really not sure how this works.

    After playing 10 games, I get a new medal. But how much can that Medal swing from my old one?

    I might expect to make a profit with 1-2 games which is only 40-50 MMR.

    LegendaryHD

      Recalibration now only depend on winning or losing, if you win, your MMR goes up, if you lose, your MMR goes down. There have been examples of people dropping to Guardian rank from Ancient. Because they lost all the matches.

      And about how much swing you can get with this recalibration is calculated like this: If you are using Dota plus you’ll get +25 for a win and -25 for a loss. However, if you are not using Dota plus and playing normally, you will get +75 for a win and -75 for a loss. Your previous MMR will be taken as a guide and you can get a total of 750 MMR for all wins and lose 750 MMR for all loses.

      In the case of MMR, you can only increase your score with wins that can give you 5-50 points of MMR in one match depending upon the difference in the team’s MMRs.

      kowareta

        wtf is this dotaplus thingy? are u sure?
        should i w8 till my dotaplus end? wtf

        DUMBASSNOOBLOLZ

          i went 7-3 last time and got 200 mmr
          previous one i went 8-2 and got 300 mmr

          Kanye East

            Thank you for the response give sense now.

            I have dota+.

            Would you consider dota + to be the advantage or disadvantage here?

            LegendaryHD

              wtf is this dotaplus thingy? are u sure?
              should i w8 till my dotaplus end? wtf

              I'm not sure if it's still the same system as today but you should play with dota plus instead because it gave you low mmr so even if you lose you only lose low mmr.

              But as 19 said if it's true then you get 50 mmr each time you win, so if you 10-0 then you can gain 500 mmr.

              i went 7-3 last time and got 200 mmr
              previous one i went 8-2 and got 300 mmr

              Väinämöinen

                you win you get +50 mmr you loose you get -50 mmr

                there is no system where you get less minus mmr or even plus mmr because you bough many wards or did the most hero damage, thats only on your very first inital calibration

                Väinämöinen

                  recalbration is a marketing tool that valve uses to get players that quit the game back into dota.

                  If you look at the people in your calibration games you will find many players that stopped playing for 2 months or even longer. In one of my games (luckily it didnt count because someone disconnected) a dude picked offlane void and said he didnt play since 2015 and Eg.Universe pos 3 void was very populat when he stopped playing dota.

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                  NaturesProphet

                    saw some dude go 5-5 and lose 1k

                    kowareta

                      ^ u sure about it? i mean ppl last season had fake medals cause party mmr
                      maybe he was a pretender :-?

                      Tresdin

                        woah it's not about skills its about winning mehnn this BS

                        Kanye East

                          All right thx for answers it is pretty clear now.

                          Just heard that after the calibration of the 10 games, then dota would evaluate one's performance for each game and that would have an impact on the new medal.

                          But guess it is BS...

                          Back in the time

                            wtf is this dotaplus thingy? are u sure?
                            should i w8 till my dotaplus end? wtf

                            It is because in the last ranked season, there was the option of seeking ranked matches only with those who had the dota + signature. Now everyone plays in the same match finder is the same as having or not having dota +

                            pff

                              I think the points you lose/recieve is also correlated on Win/lose streak.

                              BABING

                                Yes The more games you win your MMR each game will rise faster which each game won. Valve Wants people who are too good for their bracket to move on to the proper bracket they belong in. I like valves thinking behind this really. So if you go on a 14 win streak (I did last season lol) each MMR gain from every game will be higher.

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                                sin

                                  I went 3 wins, 2 lose, then 5 wins. Gained approximately 350-400 mmr for core roles.

                                  I heard that support role calibration is kinda fked up. Going 5-5 can lose you 200-300 mmr.

                                  AnŦaiN

                                    ^^whats ur mmr rn

                                    Mohamad [LEB]

                                      i am a support player whose MMR was around 1150 (crusader 2) prior to this new season calibration

                                      The 1 Loss i get out of 10 calibration games for support, i got because i was playing with randoms before the update and update happened during the game.. the loss was counted!!!
                                      although i passed that fact and won the other 9 games

                                      My shock was that my new MMR is: 580 (Congratz u got guardian1)

                                      how this possibly happen????

                                      Am thinking to rage quit the game bcz i didnt touch my core MMR yet and it shouldn't have any relation!

                                      someone explain this!!

                                      Krops

                                        I have dota + and i just finished my claibration 8w/2L and i got +431 mmr, At 3942 mmr and im legend 5 can you help me with that . I mean for ancient you need like 3850 mmr

                                        kowareta

                                          why ppl care too much about medals? its just a badge buddy, only mmr matters.

                                          kädili somsa

                                            6 wins out of 10 and i got only +24 mmr increase from 2877 to 2901 core mmrs

                                            Väinämöinen

                                              If you dont deny your items in at least 5 games your medal automatically drops several starts even if you win all games.

                                              Kanye East

                                                Played 7 wins out of 10 so increased 300MMR and have now 2699MMR.

                                                The good news: I went from Archon 4 to archon 2.

                                                Valve logic increased your MMR drop down in medal. Before i had Archon 1 at 2000MMR. Seems they made a bit of a change.

                                                Good luck out there.

                                                LegendaryHD

                                                  Played 7 wins out of 10 so increased 300MMR and have now 2699MMR.

                                                  The good news: I went from Archon 4 to archon 2.

                                                  Valve logic increased your MMR drop down in medal. Before i had Archon 1 at 2000MMR. Seems they made a bit of a change.

                                                  Good luck out there.


                                                  If you win 7 out of 10 then you should get 200 mmr.

                                                  If before you are at Archon 1 and 2k mmr it means Archon 1 is your peak and Crusader 5 is actually your real medal, but what I didn't understand is you have 2699 mmr right now means you should get Archon 4 instead of Archon 2.

                                                  Maybe your current medal is your supp medal, even though you played Core recently.

                                                  kowareta

                                                    medal is sth related to population
                                                    its like top 10% are divines, top 20% are ancientsm top 30% is legend and etc
                                                    its not related to mmr, mmr needed for medals change over time.
                                                    u have low medal with higher mmr just because all players didnt calibrate their rank yet, only the ones who playing game on daily basis (good ones) did. so u are not top 50% (like before) among them thats why u have lower medal for now.

                                                    Kanye East

                                                      "medal is sth related to population
                                                      its like top 10% are divines, top 20% are ancientsm top 30% is legend and etc
                                                      its not related to mmr, mmr needed for medals change over time.
                                                      u have low medal with higher mmr just because all players didnt calibrate their rank yet, only the ones who playing game on daily basis (good ones) did. so u are not top 50% (like before) among them thats why u have lower medal for now."

                                                      Thanks it give sense.

                                                      "If you win 7 out of 10 then you should get 200 mmr.
                                                      If before you are at Archon 1 and 2k mmr it means Archon 1 is your peak and Crusader 5 is actually your real medal, but what I didn't understand is you have 2699 mmr right now means you should get Archon 4 instead of Archon 2.

                                                      Maybe your current medal is your supp medal, even though you played Core recently."

                                                      I had a win on a Axe game dota broke down last night and it was not shown. I dont know if it could affect it. Just played a game more and won it, then finish my calibration.

                                                      Kanye East

                                                        @Kowareta

                                                        I'm no sure if you are right on this one. Saw a guy had Legend 1 on 3500MMR and another Archon 4 on 2900MMR (around this).

                                                        So my 2699 on a archon 2 should match in this.

                                                        So they might just had change MMR on medal in Archon bracket.

                                                        kowareta

                                                          https://www.opendota.com/distributions
                                                          look buddy as far as i know, valve trying to make this distribution look like normal distribution so every thing being fair.
                                                          as u can see till now, only 50k players calibrated their accounts which is nothing compare to 2M players last season.
                                                          thats why ur medal is not accurate yet.

                                                          if u wonder about the legend 1 guy, tell me when he got his medal? today? yesterday? im sure if he win another game his percent increase like 70% instaed if like 15%

                                                          Kanye East

                                                            Well, i am really not sure about anything. Just saw more players in my archon bracket match the same mmr i have. What i have seen are most players have lost medal rank. Even some go from to a new lower medal.

                                                            Maybe valve have increased it so it is harder for booster to make higher accounts.

                                                            MuLLi

                                                              I would love to get to herald again if I lose all 10 games maybe Gaben give my Heraldian land back

                                                              -eLuNiuM-

                                                                JESUS CHRIST! This is like talking into people in STONE AGE era!

                                                                if you still dont uderstand how does the calibration work, you actually just google it, and use several keyword at GOOGLE to find out what you lookin for.

                                                                You can even use google to find out how many mmr is needed to reach a medal.

                                                                For god sake, MEDAL IS JUST A COSMETIC BADGE, the real number is your MMR.

                                                                Let say you calibrate at Legend II (-+3k) last season, and you make it hard into Ancient I (-+3850 MMR), but suddenly you just sh*t in higher bracket, get ez tilted and then falling into (2,9K MMR). DID YOUR MEDAL DROP INTO Legend I????? NO! You still in Ancient I right?????

                                                                Because MEDAL cannot decrease even if you loses many games, but MMR CAN!

                                                                This is why (medium/high) Anshit can still meet Legend, just because they're just Anshit, nothing more.

                                                                NOW TO ANSWER PEOPLE QUESTION ABOUT THEIR MEDAL DROP:
                                                                Whats your last medal? whats your last mmr?
                                                                Did your last MMR meet the requirements for that medal?

                                                                If no, THEN GET GOOD.

                                                                Once again, medal is just a cosmetic badge, the real MMR is the number at your MMR section area. Holy moly!

                                                                kowareta

                                                                  @kanye east
                                                                  i mean, i dont really understnad what is wrong with numbers u said.
                                                                  2699 is archon 2 and 2900 is archon 4, well from last season 120 mmr needed for getting a star, so ~200 mmr diff is not sth new.
                                                                  if we assume archon 4 is 2900 base on your data, legend 1 (need 4 star) must be around 2900+4*120 - 2900+5*120
                                                                  it means around 3380-3500 still there is nothing wrong here!

                                                                  Kanye East

                                                                    @-eLuNiuM-

                                                                    Since Valve did one of the biggest update on how matchmaking, MMR is calculated (support/core) and exclusion of booster is it fair to ask in whether there are changes and how it works now?

                                                                    If you have any doubts, this is a forum where you can create questions, but people like you who probably know everything or think you do don't understand that.

                                                                    As I understand it, it has always been a secret how MMR is calculated and the algorithm behind it works. It changes from season to season and my question was how it works now.

                                                                    Google is a good friend to get answers, but as you probably know or i'm sorry you are the person who knows everything, then it is not everything you can trust on the internet.

                                                                    So it's pretty good to ask directly on a forum with people who plays on a daily basis whether they have tried the same thing or know something.

                                                                    Have a nice day.

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                                                                    Kanye East

                                                                      @Kowareta

                                                                      Well it was more that i got Archon 1 at around 2000MMR. When you then get Archon 2 with 2699MMR's quite a difference.

                                                                      kowareta

                                                                        yeah it happens every season, i dont know if u are first timer or not, but every season ppl getting lower medal than before
                                                                        cause medal is not related to mmr, its related to population. 3.8k mmr was anc1 last season but now its legend4
                                                                        but the reason behind it is, if we assume being ancient meaning being top 20%, for being top 20% today u need more mmr than 1 week ago. but why then? cause today only players who playing dota on daily basis and having high mmr recalibrated (only 50k accounts) and compare to them u are not top 20% anymore! (mmr wise). but compare to 2million ppl on last week ur 3.8k mmr was on top 20%.
                                                                        thats all.

                                                                        hope u understand what i mean, im bad at explaining things to others.

                                                                        Kanye East

                                                                          @Kowareta

                                                                          Thanks it give some sense :-). You know your MMR are going up then you getting a lower Medal. Just like... wtf man.

                                                                          kowareta

                                                                            its like u maybe be top 1% student in your country but in your university you may be bottom 1%!
                                                                            medal just says how good u are compare to the others, right now only ppl in university calibrating so u are bottom 1%, next month when all students take the quiz u are top 1% again.

                                                                            JaS.LiL
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                                                                              JaS.LiL

                                                                                я выйграл 6 из 10ти, было 5200 mmr, почти Божество 6, ну Божество 5 с 95% ми, и после калибровки дали 4900mmr, и Ранг Властелин 6, как это понять габен!
                                                                                или кто то другой может объяснить?)