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General DiscussionDoes mmr have any corelation to how intelligent you are?

Does mmr have any corelation to how intelligent you are? in General Discussion
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    JDF8

      the quicker you learn the quicker u gain mmr. what do you think

      CUTNPASTE

        There probably aren't any straight mouthbreathers who are high mmr but I'd say it's probably like any mental skill. Intelligence can get you in the door but hard work, a good attitude and consistent practice get you to the top.

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        kowareta

          Not just mmr
          U can be 5k just with 8k ranked match and 50.5% winrate
          But mmr/playtime good estimation of ur iq

          DemonicTrashcan

            There probably is a general correlation you can find with being higher MMR and having above average intelligence- how significant is that correlation? And what is the average IQ of a high MMR player? 105, 110, 120+? Is IQ even a good measurement of one's ability to learn DotA? What MMR are we looking at in particular?

            DotA is a complex game, if you're into DotA, you're into video games that provide a lot of mental stimulation, so that points to DotA fans by default trending towards having average-to-above-average intellect I'd think.

            Smarter people may have an easier time learning the game, but MOBAs really amplify people's internal ego problems, and at the end of the day control over your ego and your perception of improvement is probably far more important than raw intellect.

            one syllable anglo-saxon

              iq is a garbage statistic and you shouldn't use it to measure human intelligence

              AnŦaiN

                U cannot measure intelligence by anything specifically . I personally dislike usage of iq unless we are talking about a very low or very high iq which stands out from rest of crowd meaning they are way below average or way above average .

                DUMBASSNOOBLOLZ

                  definitely
                  most people are dumb or plain average,there is a reason we blue stars are top 0.01%
                  not that we are extra ordinary,we are just very well above average
                  people will never accept that they are just plain awful,like some of you are

                  snakemonger-

                    just because you are awful at dota doesnt mean you have low iq tho

                    proudbisaya

                      nope my smartest friend on the class is plyaing dota but his mmr is like guardian
                      so it doesnt matter

                      AnŦaiN

                        @19^^ Thats arrogant and a false belief as we did nothing ourselves to be above average(if we are above average as u say) and My own personal unpopular opinion is that some people by some extraordinary chance can completely take a 180 degree turn on their intelligence if they become serious . I see a lot of examples around me like this . Guys who were dumb and carefree go through some serious sad shit and then they turn out to be a genius mofo and philosophical guy . Only physical disability cannot be overcomed by will , mental can be .IMO that is .

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                        Die by the sword

                          Read about it and IQ has a correlation with dota mmr at about 0.4... the same as a low complexity jobb..
                          Bla bla bla

                          Experience
                          bla bla bla

                          Motivation
                          blabla bla

                          ETC ETC

                          AnŦaiN

                            @pain=bestfrnd , ironically im in top 3 in my college at studies , best chess player in my friends circle , and 2nd number dota player (1st is 6k mmr guy) in my small city .

                            kuci

                              Mmr is earned not a privilege

                              Fiki

                                It's more a willingness to learn I presume.

                                Cheap Laugh Guy

                                  MMR also correlates with how much you love Dota and your willingness to spend time exploring it
                                  Intelligence is the catalyst

                                  inx4c

                                    It does, but you also need to put play time into equation and previous moba/gaming experience.

                                    mynhauzen

                                      IQ is how fast you solve puzzles. You'd guess high MMR folks would all be fast puzzle solvers, but this game is not a puzzle, so I assume IQ has almost no correlation to MMR. Most of folks in the top 1% are folks with thousands of hours of practice, that play only meta heroes, like to play in stacks with other meta players, spam heroes etc. none of that stuff requires IQ. Anyone can spam 3-4 heroes to 60-70% win rate and get to 5-7k. That doesnt mean your IQ will gain along with it. Now when builds are available everywhere, IQ probably doesnt help at all in most games.

                                      kowareta

                                        ^arcwarden spammer, 1.2k matches, 3k ranked matches, still archon
                                        i mean, u dont need to get out of ur room and looking around to find disclaimer of your opinions, just look at your self!

                                        AnŦaiN

                                          Anyone can spam 3-4 heroes to 60-70% win rate and get to 5-7k.

                                          Nope not anyone tho . U got 1200 arc warden games . Why arent u 6k . There are many more things than just hero mastery .

                                          DemonicTrashcan

                                            "Anyone can spam 3-4 heroes to 60-70% win rate and get to 5-7k."

                                            mynhauzen has more games on Arc Warden than any other blue star poster in this thread has on any of their most-played heroes.

                                            Classic.

                                            Back in the time

                                              I think it has nothing to do with intelligence, my friends for example do not want to improve and do not mind being 3k mmr players like to play casual group games and think it's ok, I think most players who reach 5k did a lot of research on the game mechanics, improved hero poll and builds to scale better in the game

                                              JDF8

                                                hero pool? climbing on the back of maybe 2 main heroes and 2 backups and a handful of reserve heroes is the best way to do it

                                                Vampirekiller883

                                                  i watch bulldog stream

                                                  mynhauzen

                                                    I got 1.2k games on arc with a 60-70% win rate. Check last month or the month prior to it. I just play only arc well. I practice other random heroes all the time that I can’t play (od-30%, brood-40%, etc.). After 1.2k aw games it kinda boring to play only arc. I honestly don’t even care about mmr. To prove my point, I’m a graduate from a top 5 business school and in a top 2% of income in the us. I also work in tech for a top 5 company solving their business challenges. I’m also a 2k scrub that owns a 4.5k support account to play with my 6k friends but since I prefer mid i mostly play on this account. I don’t get it why a bunch of morons disregard opinions based on a quick scan of medals. Most of you did absolutely nothing in life. By opening my account, you proved nothing.

                                                    LegendaryHD

                                                      Can you give me Arc Warden tips, life tips, job tips?

                                                      ETd

                                                        Damn you are pretentious. You own a 4.5K account to play with 6K friends, admitting that you account buy. You boast about being top 2% of income earners in the US after graduating from a top 5 school but fail to see how your actions you presently do, and the general actions of buying/boosting/smurfing damage the game
                                                        Look, I’m not saying that your earlier points were wrong, they’re true for the most part. But your brag in an attempt to invalidate their trolling in an online forum is quite useless.

                                                        Vertoxity

                                                          definitely
                                                          most people are dumb or plain average,there is a reason we blue stars are top 0.01%
                                                          not that we are extra ordinary,we are just very well above average
                                                          people will never accept that they are just plain awful,like some of you are

                                                          I'll accept that I'm shit at Dota but I'll never trade being good at Dota at cost of being stupid piece of shit like you are.

                                                          While IQ definitelly can help with MMR in a long run, you tend to lack on emotional intelligence, which means no ones gives a fuck about you being top 0.01% you fucking arrogant piece of shit.

                                                          You will fail at Dota just like you failed at life, stupid uncontained monkey.

                                                          Have a nice day, kid.

                                                          kowareta

                                                            ^ imagine triggered so bad about truth like this guy
                                                            calm down buddy
                                                            being stupid is not the owner fault, its creator fault.

                                                            Vertoxity

                                                              ^

                                                              There's no reason for me to be triggered at all. I just had a bad day and I read his stupid shit, so I answer with stupid shit.

                                                              Isn't what this forum is for? To blame and shit on others so you can feel better..

                                                              kowareta

                                                                ^
                                                                yes there is, stop pretending like X-Chans

                                                                Sir

                                                                  Hello friends,
                                                                  Neuroscientist (brain scientist) here;

                                                                  Basically no.
                                                                  i could type for pages about this but the short story is no.
                                                                  Intelligence is not Mmr. Its hardly even connected.
                                                                  And yes there have been studies on this.

                                                                  Ritsu x boni = 0 IQ

                                                                    nO

                                                                    Feachairu

                                                                      pls type pages about it i wanna see

                                                                      mynhauzen

                                                                        Damn you are pretentious. You own a 4.5K account to play with 6K friends, admitting that you account buy. You boast about being top 2% of income earners in the US after graduating from a top 5 school but fail to see how your actions you presently do, and the general actions of buying/boosting/smurfing damage the game
                                                                        Look, I’m not saying that your earlier points were wrong, they’re true for the most part. But your brag in an attempt to invalidate their trolling in an online forum is quite useless.

                                                                        I actually didn't buy any accounts. Im using account of our friend. We played together in a different moba with a bunch of folks (most of whom are 5-6k mmr folks). I played mid there and prefer that role in solo ranking. I'm clearly not boosting any accounts I own and I'm not the worst support you'll find in 4.5k mmr for sure, but all of this is super subjective. To go back to the initial topic, I know a ton of stupid TI winners. There are clearly smart coaches out there, but there are some folks that clearly have no a clue about anything else besides dota. Just open any interviews with non-dota quizzes of pro dota players.

                                                                        kowareta

                                                                          some dude thinks being intelligent means being top on his field
                                                                          pepeLaugh

                                                                          Vertoxity

                                                                            yes there is, stop pretending like X-Chans

                                                                            If you by YES you imply that Dota 2 can get very frustrating and can make you very angry, delusional and sad at times then - YES.

                                                                            If you by YES you mean I have no life or anything else but Dota in life - then it's a huge no.

                                                                            Does it bother me that I'm 4k after 6000+ games? Kinda of, I should've invested my time better rather than just being angry all the time.

                                                                            Does it make me feel insecure, sad for any related dota-reasons? Fuck, no. 5k, 6k or 10k, everyone gets sad and mad from time to time in this game, that's a fact.

                                                                            I'm by no means jealous at anyone being better than me, I am completely aware I'm pretty much 4k because I suck and I rarely blame anyone unless I get tilted.

                                                                            DemonicTrashcan

                                                                              @mynhauzen no one is making fun of you for having a lower rank. What we are making fun of you for is making authoritative statements like "Anyone can spam 3-4 heroes to 60-70% win rate and get to 5-7k," as if you know the true answer to climbing- when a single glance at your profile shows a counter-example.

                                                                              "To prove my point, I’m a graduate from a top 5 business school and in a top 2% of income in the us. I also work in tech for a top 5 company solving their business challenges."

                                                                              Bragging about supposed irl accomplishments to reinforce your point? Nothing about this statement reaffirms you as an authority figure in anyone's mind except your own- in fact reading this makes you seem incredibly pretentious.

                                                                              "I don’t get it why a bunch of morons disregard opinions based on a quick scan of medals. Most of you did absolutely nothing in life. By opening my account, you proved nothing."

                                                                              Projecting hard as hell. No one made fun of you because of your medal in itself, you're just clearly very defensive about your rank and are leaping to defend yourself. Once again it was your statement that has made you the subject of ridicule. Most of us did nothing in life? What does that even mean? Are you going to drop an authoritative statement on what it exactly means to "do something with your life" according to mhnhauzen? You're just throwing out ad-hominems in attempt to save face, but this only reflects upon you by showing how incredibly insecure you are.

                                                                              NaturesProphet

                                                                                I think emotional intelligence plays a far bigger role than IQ in dota