well, i don't really care about becoming a 1337 superprogrammer like i used to, and the only job i landed so far was really boring and i had 0 interest in what i was doing subject matter-wise, only the intinsict interest in fiddling with stuff and solving tasks
other than that, no, i don't think so. what else would i do? even if you put aside the monetary aspect (i think i could live reasonably comfortably even working a job that pays a shit wage in russia), most other jobs that aren't snorefests require constant human interaction (cs does as well, but at least it's all in telegram/email or whatever); and i absolutely loathe interacting with people, not because i'm some kkkewl misanthrope or anything, but it's just fucking hard for me man
i don't even think my loss of ambition has anything to do with me being dissapointed in cs, i think it's a general apathy towards chasing wealth & status. it seems like everyone who does as well as me in this degree is shooting for moscow/st.petes and wants to have 666k rubles wage, and i'm so not looking forward to anything like this (might have to do with the fact that i'm currently going through a gauntlet of hell trying to get russian citizienship, and moving to a big city would be a similar experience), i just want to be left alone. i don't care if i work a shit job or whatever, right now i just want my own space to come home to, where it's just me, not a single other soul, not mom or girlfriend(lmao) or shitty roommates or nice roommates or fucking allah himself, just me. alone.
i don't know why i wrote this, you probably dislike cs for other reasons entirely, what are they anyway? did you just get bored? did you realize that programmers very rarely do anything actually useful to society (most of them, anyway. lots of stuff just gets binned because it didn't take off or whatever and u wrote 100k lines of code(and got paid for it) straight into the trashcan)? do you hate the dev cultute (i'm kinda sick of it myself)? what is it?
belgorod. not the best place for cs jobs, but the city's pretty nice (at least compared to the only other russian city i've been in - kursk. for the two weeks i've been there in 2014 i've seen more battered cars than i did in my entire life, and the city as a whole looked like a big village)
cs (computer science, correct me if im wrong) depends on how far you want to go tbh.
you can get shitton of money from freelancing and developping connections b4 dyplomas, or you start from 0 and develop your shit so hard that you'll eventually get hunted.
im sitting from 9(10 in fact) to 17(15 in fact), working w/ c#/sql/excel mix, and holy fuck, the people that were before me are so fucking retarded, instead of doing something new, im fixing endless garbage they left behind.
no wonder the entire company constantly reported databases returning weird results.
ima speedrunner, remember?
i've done my dyplomas in 2 weeks without any help from my A M A Z I N G prof that was assigned to me, that was lazy enough to never check what teh fuck i was doing.
they gave me some tasks to fix their spaghetti code for the week, and i've done that in 2 days.
and instead of giving me something new, they just threw shitton of excel tables w/ weird formulas and told me to somehow put them inside.
the only job i landed so far was really boring and i had 0 interest in what i was doing subject matter-wise
Seems like most of the jobs in cs tbh, all the interesting ones are probably in research, and that's one of the major reasons I wanna switch
Sitting in front of a pc 9-5 solving some dumb problems seems like absolute cancer (especially since it isn't just about problem solving, which I wouldn't mind, but rather some lame technical shit about libraries or frameworks or... that you spend hours reading about)
most other jobs that aren't snorefests require constant human interaction
I guess that's just life, maybe you should work on your anxiety (Or whatever causes you the problems with social interactions). Probably you won't even get around it later in cs/at another company, here it's really common to have daily meetups for progress checking etc
i don't even think my loss of ambition has anything to do with me being dissapointed in cs, i think it's a general apathy towards chasing wealth & status
Who cares about wealth and status if you're not happy tbh =) money is nice to have and all but who cares when you're wasting your years working overtime just to climb up the career ladder, I think I'd take a job that I enjoy and doesn't pay (well) over a job that does and that I absolutely hate
i don't know why i wrote this, you probably dislike cs for other reasons entirely, what are they anyway? did you just get bored? did you realize that programmers very rarely do anything actually useful to society (most of them, anyway. lots of stuff just gets binned because it didn't take off or whatever and u wrote 100k lines of code(and got paid for it) straight into the trashcan)? do you hate the dev cultute (i'm kinda sick of it myself)? what is it?
Not necessarily bored, but there's just too big of a difference between theory at university (which I very much enjoy, especially things like computational theory, efficient algorithms/datastructures, mathematics ...) and what you will (likely) actually end up doing working
I don't mind programming itself as problem solving, but I hate reading up on all the frameworks and shit (as previously mentioned). Tasks also usually don't seem "abstract" or interesting, usually programming for a company just means you're gonna type a lot (like gui programming, god how much I hate that). Taking advanced degrees at university seems fine, but doing a phd seems like an insane amount of work, highly competitive etc, something which I doubt I'll be able to pull through with.
Freelancing seems fine, but it seems hard to find jobs unless you have a decent portfolio.
And then I came to the point where I asked myself why I am even doing this. I like the lifestyle as a software engineer, you make good money and so on; if other career options won't work out I'll gladly come back to software engineering i guess. But so far I can't imagine doing this shit for the next ~47 years (hopefully climate change won't make it that long). Career options also seem trash. Where do you wanna go? Stay a software engineer forever? Move to project management? move to upper management? Move into another area entirely within the same company? Everything seems super undesirable
And then it's the whole social thing as well I guess (maybe you don't care about it as much), people in computer science seem a lot like people you wouldn't want to hang out with. You don't meet women. You have a lot of cocky people who seem to believe they are the hottest shit. My friends talk about the newest patch for xyz or the newest security fix for abc (something I could not give less fucks about). Software engineers don't enjoy particularly high social status.
Every time I visit a course from another degree it's genuinely a surprise to see how open and nice to talk to people can be.
Whatever I guess... will see how it goes, gonna finish this degree for sure (Only one year left), I guess I will try to find something else once I'm done, although another degree will not be an option (by law, maybe I could study abroad, but I don't have the money for that). Will probably apply to pilot school and see if they take me, should I fail their tests then I srsly dunno what to do
And then it's the whole social thing as well I guess (maybe you don't care about it as much), people in computer science seem a lot like people you wouldn't want to hang out with. You don't meet women. You have a lot of cocky people who seem to believe they are the hottest shit. My friends talk about the newest patch for xyz or the newest security fix for abc (something I could not give less fucks about).
And then it's the whole social thing as well I guess (maybe you don't care about it as much), people in computer science seem a lot like people you wouldn't want to hang out with. You don't meet women. You have a lot of cocky people who seem to believe they are the hottest shit. My friends talk about the newest patch for xyz or the newest security fix for abc (something I could not give less fucks about). Software engineers don't enjoy particularly high social status.
yeah that's what i mean by dev culture, it attracts self-absorbed dorks with 0 self awareness that develop a huge superiority complex because they're kinda good at tech stuff, they almost always sneer at non-engineering degrees/jobs (lol bro ure a philosophy major? can you even code a REST frontend API framework w/ ArchLinux + C# v.4.23 (security patch 6-13-19-suck-my-ass)? LMAO XD). it's even worse in russia where there seems to be a giant "tech majors vs "humanities" majors" circlejerk and its basically tech bros jerking themselves off about how theyre smarter in every way, while humanities majors generally dont have crippling self-esteem issues so they dont participate techbros suck but i haven't met any people like that at the place i was working at (though tbh i only like spoke to 3 people semi-regularly, and never spoke about casual stuff to anybody, maybe they are assholes but are good at hiding it)
but also i hate the stupid little things that aren't neccessarily harmful but they just piss me off, some of them irrationally, like covering your laptop w/ dumb stickers or inserting broken english into your commit messages or powerpoints (we had a lecture in uni this monday, the lecturer was alright but goddammit the broken english in his slides was hilariously bad (very first slide: "which pokemon is that?" was translated into "what is this a pokemon?", basically word for word translation from russian to english), and for no good reason either since the rest of the lecture was in russian
also i don't know if ppl in europe/americas do this, but here around 6-7th grade schoolboys suddenly learn (from their dads probs) that "real men shake hands", and since that moment every morning is a handshake bonanza where everybody has to shake hands with everybody else and it's not only a cringefest but majorly inconvenient, and some people don't shake (heh) that habit when they grow up so they go all around the fucking office shaking hands with everybody and at my work i shook hands with like 5 people whom i NEVER SPOKE A SINGLE WORD TO EVER every morning. good job man, you walked across the office and distracted me to shake my hand, and you probably don't even know my name. nothing to do with cs specifically, i suppose, but i wander how common is it elsewhere
Well guys im studying pre-engineering . Im from pakistan and im in doubt which field to select . Any suggestions . Btw robotics and petroleum are non-existant in pakistan .
I don't mind programming itself as problem solving, but I hate reading up on all the frameworks and shit (as previously mentioned). Tasks also usually don't seem "abstract" or interesting, usually programming for a company just means you're gonna type a lot (like gui programming, god how much I hate that). Taking advanced degrees at university seems fine, but doing a phd seems like an insane amount of work, highly competitive etc, something which I doubt I'll be able to pull through with.
it's not the exact opposite for me (i too enjoy problem solving, especially if there's no theory involved and it's just intuition), but i actually enjoy applied stuff that i can see working almost immediately, the stuff i don't enjoy is learning theory, and this applies both to foundational theory (like graph theory, or algorithm complexity) and to learning new frameworks and whatnot. i think it's a remnant from my school days where i got a major head start on everybody else because my mom&grandpa taking their time to teach me basic arithmetics, literacy and even some english, so i came into first grade knowing how how to read, write and count and was treated by classmates and teachers alike as some sort of a prodigy which not only gave me a huge ego boost (hello to 13yo me, the most insufferable kid on the entire planet), but also made me kinda resigned to the fact that i'm smart enough to just understand stuff intuitively, without putting it much work into it. it worked swimmingly for math-related subjects since highschool math is kinda intuitive (and i didn't give a shit about other subjects, i put in enough effort to not fail and not an ounce more), but you know how it goes, it's a trope - the young prodigy has shit work ethics and by the time he's in uni SUDDENLY stuff doesn't get intuitive anymore and he has to put in effort to learn. that somehow didn't happen to me, i guess because i get super anxious and can't enjoy myself when i know there's work i need to do, and also i am super afraid to fail, but putting in effort to learn is still unpleasant to me, which is why uni math was the bane of me while school math was one of the very few subjects i genuinely enjoyed
Whatever I guess... will see how it goes, gonna finish this degree for sure (Only one year left), I guess I will try to find something else once I'm done, although another degree will not be an option (by law, maybe I could study abroad, but I don't have the money for that). Will probably apply to pilot school and see if they take me, should I fail their tests then I srsly dunno what to do
brave (unironically). i couldn't imagine switching career paths, i'd be too afraid to fail and also would be gnawed by sunk cost regret to the end of my days probably
yeah that's what i mean by dev culture, it attracts self-absorbed dorks with 0 self awareness that develop a huge superiority complex because they're kinda good at tech stuff, they almost always sneer at non-engineering degrees/jobs
ye same here, ppl especially talk to business majors, kinda cringe
"uhh u guys are complaining about having a hard exam? BRO LMAO HOW ABOUT U TAKE ONE CS EXAM BRO THEYRE ALWASY HARD =))) BUSINESS IS SUPER EASY"
also i don't know if ppl in europe/americas do this, but here around 6-7th grade schoolboys suddenly learn (from their dads probs) that "real men shake hands", and since that moment every morning is a handshake bonanza where everybody has to shake hands with everybody else and it's not only a cringefest but majorly inconvenient
same here, it suddenly started one day at school, weeks later everyone was always shaking hands; i agree, its kinda annoying, but it seems like everyone is doing it/used to it so its w/e, i guess theres no way around it
the young prodigy has shit work ethics and by the time he's in uni SUDDENLY stuff doesn't get intuitive anymore and he has to put in effort to learn
thats a classic
brave (unironically). i couldn't imagine switching career paths, i'd be too afraid to fail and also would be gnawed by sunk cost regret to the end of my days probably
meh, i would feel that way if i were to stop my degree right now and start something else, but i feel like getting into software engineering jobs require a degree as a formal requirement more than anything; im fairly sure that 2 years after my degree (whatever i have done during that time, be it going to school or staying at home and jerking off) with a small portfolio will give me the same job opportunities as right now (even if weird questions might be asked during the interview), thanks though
putting in effort to learn is still unpleasant to me
number 1: sloppy joe - just put your hand forward and let the other person shake it while your stays completely limp
two - "bone crusher" - the harder you squeeze, the manlier you are. your opponent might be thinking he is jsut greeting you, but he just signed up for a competition of life & death of who can break the opponents hand harder - and you always win!
n.3 (three) aka "im a fucking moron and either give the other person like 1/3rd of my hand or pull away as soon as they start shaking my hand so it's not even a handshake it;s who the fuck know what"
number 4 (bonus): "tag team" - you just touch hands for a brief moment. that's the handshake. you're it, go tag another loser, bud!
kekW
dude i remember getting excited being the first person to comment on the next page lol
this songs fucking lit tho
this is definintely not ywn
it's snapchat superstar @moiez_boss
right, how could i miss that
i remember you not being a weeb, moiez
alenari u ever came into a situation where u feel like CS was the wrong choice? how did u deal with it
about to toss this degree into hte trashbin
moiez ? which muslim country?
well, i don't really care about becoming a 1337 superprogrammer like i used to, and the only job i landed so far was really boring and i had 0 interest in what i was doing subject matter-wise, only the intinsict interest in fiddling with stuff and solving tasks
other than that, no, i don't think so. what else would i do? even if you put aside the monetary aspect (i think i could live reasonably comfortably even working a job that pays a shit wage in russia), most other jobs that aren't snorefests require constant human interaction (cs does as well, but at least it's all in telegram/email or whatever); and i absolutely loathe interacting with people, not because i'm some kkkewl misanthrope or anything, but it's just fucking hard for me man
i don't even think my loss of ambition has anything to do with me being dissapointed in cs, i think it's a general apathy towards chasing wealth & status. it seems like everyone who does as well as me in this degree is shooting for moscow/st.petes and wants to have 666k rubles wage, and i'm so not looking forward to anything like this (might have to do with the fact that i'm currently going through a gauntlet of hell trying to get russian citizienship, and moving to a big city would be a similar experience), i just want to be left alone. i don't care if i work a shit job or whatever, right now i just want my own space to come home to, where it's just me, not a single other soul, not mom or girlfriend(lmao) or shitty roommates or nice roommates or fucking allah himself, just me. alone.
i don't know why i wrote this, you probably dislike cs for other reasons entirely, what are they anyway? did you just get bored? did you realize that programmers very rarely do anything actually useful to society (most of them, anyway. lots of stuff just gets binned because it didn't take off or whatever and u wrote 100k lines of code(and got paid for it) straight into the trashcan)? do you hate the dev cultute (i'm kinda sick of it myself)? what is it?
CS LULW
chase yo dreams
That was an interesting read, alenari. Where do u come from, originally?
Sym(m)etrical, congratulations on top100
eastern ukraine (luhansk region)
Which city do u live at now?
belgorod. not the best place for cs jobs, but the city's pretty nice (at least compared to the only other russian city i've been in - kursk. for the two weeks i've been there in 2014 i've seen more battered cars than i did in my entire life, and the city as a whole looked like a big village)
There s always free lance as well
my boi symetrical howzit
add me on snapchat moiez_boss
cs (computer science, correct me if im wrong) depends on how far you want to go tbh.
you can get shitton of money from freelancing and developping connections b4 dyplomas, or you start from 0 and develop your shit so hard that you'll eventually get hunted.
im sitting from 9(10 in fact) to 17(15 in fact), working w/ c#/sql/excel mix, and holy fuck, the people that were before me are so fucking retarded, instead of doing something new, im fixing endless garbage they left behind.
no wonder the entire company constantly reported databases returning weird results.
wow meka u must be really smart
ima speedrunner, remember?
i've done my dyplomas in 2 weeks without any help from my A M A Z I N G prof that was assigned to me, that was lazy enough to never check what teh fuck i was doing.
they gave me some tasks to fix their spaghetti code for the week, and i've done that in 2 days.
and instead of giving me something new, they just threw shitton of excel tables w/ weird formulas and told me to somehow put them inside.
wats a 9 to 15?
yes and on a scale of florian to alenari how much do you want to die?
wheres the coordinator guys
depends on the shit i have to endure irl
impressed that you saw my esa's run, if you did.
pogu
i made this possible with my 3 euros lul
actually yes, your 3 euros helped **the fucking ton**
Seems like most of the jobs in cs tbh, all the interesting ones are probably in research, and that's one of the major reasons I wanna switch
Sitting in front of a pc 9-5 solving some dumb problems seems like absolute cancer (especially since it isn't just about problem solving, which I wouldn't mind, but rather some lame technical shit about libraries or frameworks or... that you spend hours reading about)
I guess that's just life, maybe you should work on your anxiety (Or whatever causes you the problems with social interactions). Probably you won't even get around it later in cs/at another company, here it's really common to have daily meetups for progress checking etc
Who cares about wealth and status if you're not happy tbh =) money is nice to have and all but who cares when you're wasting your years working overtime just to climb up the career ladder, I think I'd take a job that I enjoy and doesn't pay (well) over a job that does and that I absolutely hate
Not necessarily bored, but there's just too big of a difference between theory at university (which I very much enjoy, especially things like computational theory, efficient algorithms/datastructures, mathematics ...) and what you will (likely) actually end up doing working
I don't mind programming itself as problem solving, but I hate reading up on all the frameworks and shit (as previously mentioned). Tasks also usually don't seem "abstract" or interesting, usually programming for a company just means you're gonna type a lot (like gui programming, god how much I hate that). Taking advanced degrees at university seems fine, but doing a phd seems like an insane amount of work, highly competitive etc, something which I doubt I'll be able to pull through with.
Freelancing seems fine, but it seems hard to find jobs unless you have a decent portfolio.
And then I came to the point where I asked myself why I am even doing this. I like the lifestyle as a software engineer, you make good money and so on; if other career options won't work out I'll gladly come back to software engineering i guess. But so far I can't imagine doing this shit for the next ~47 years (hopefully climate change won't make it that long). Career options also seem trash. Where do you wanna go? Stay a software engineer forever? Move to project management? move to upper management? Move into another area entirely within the same company? Everything seems super undesirable
And then it's the whole social thing as well I guess (maybe you don't care about it as much), people in computer science seem a lot like people you wouldn't want to hang out with. You don't meet women. You have a lot of cocky people who seem to believe they are the hottest shit. My friends talk about the newest patch for xyz or the newest security fix for abc (something I could not give less fucks about). Software engineers don't enjoy particularly high social status.
Every time I visit a course from another degree it's genuinely a surprise to see how open and nice to talk to people can be.
Whatever I guess... will see how it goes, gonna finish this degree for sure (Only one year left), I guess I will try to find something else once I'm done, although another degree will not be an option (by law, maybe I could study abroad, but I don't have the money for that). Will probably apply to pilot school and see if they take me, should I fail their tests then I srsly dunno what to do
God damn this essay took ages to write on my phone, never again lads
wheres florian my n (woops i got banned last time for typing the n wordd lol)
yo wasup meka, yeah ppl can change aimstrong, i was top 100 like a year ago tho triple xd
biggest true ive ever heard holy shit
TRUUUEEEE
note that ywn dropped out of university
hardstuck 100
Wished my pops was like that.
yeah that's what i mean by dev culture, it attracts self-absorbed dorks with 0 self awareness that develop a huge superiority complex because they're kinda good at tech stuff, they almost always sneer at non-engineering degrees/jobs (lol bro ure a philosophy major? can you even code a REST frontend API framework w/ ArchLinux + C# v.4.23 (security patch 6-13-19-suck-my-ass)? LMAO XD). it's even worse in russia where there seems to be a giant "tech majors vs "humanities" majors" circlejerk and its basically tech bros jerking themselves off about how theyre smarter in every way, while humanities majors generally dont have crippling self-esteem issues so they dont participate techbros suck but i haven't met any people like that at the place i was working at (though tbh i only like spoke to 3 people semi-regularly, and never spoke about casual stuff to anybody, maybe they are assholes but are good at hiding it)
but also i hate the stupid little things that aren't neccessarily harmful but they just piss me off, some of them irrationally, like covering your laptop w/ dumb stickers or inserting broken english into your commit messages or powerpoints (we had a lecture in uni this monday, the lecturer was alright but goddammit the broken english in his slides was hilariously bad (very first slide: "which pokemon is that?" was translated into "what is this a pokemon?", basically word for word translation from russian to english), and for no good reason either since the rest of the lecture was in russian
also i don't know if ppl in europe/americas do this, but here around 6-7th grade schoolboys suddenly learn (from their dads probs) that "real men shake hands", and since that moment every morning is a handshake bonanza where everybody has to shake hands with everybody else and it's not only a cringefest but majorly inconvenient, and some people don't shake (heh) that habit when they grow up so they go all around the fucking office shaking hands with everybody and at my work i shook hands with like 5 people whom i NEVER SPOKE A SINGLE WORD TO EVER every morning. good job man, you walked across the office and distracted me to shake my hand, and you probably don't even know my name. nothing to do with cs specifically, i suppose, but i wander how common is it elsewhere
Well guys im studying pre-engineering . Im from pakistan and im in doubt which field to select . Any suggestions . Btw robotics and petroleum are non-existant in pakistan .
it's not the exact opposite for me (i too enjoy problem solving, especially if there's no theory involved and it's just intuition), but i actually enjoy applied stuff that i can see working almost immediately, the stuff i don't enjoy is learning theory, and this applies both to foundational theory (like graph theory, or algorithm complexity) and to learning new frameworks and whatnot. i think it's a remnant from my school days where i got a major head start on everybody else because my mom&grandpa taking their time to teach me basic arithmetics, literacy and even some english, so i came into first grade knowing how how to read, write and count and was treated by classmates and teachers alike as some sort of a prodigy which not only gave me a huge ego boost (hello to 13yo me, the most insufferable kid on the entire planet), but also made me kinda resigned to the fact that i'm smart enough to just understand stuff intuitively, without putting it much work into it. it worked swimmingly for math-related subjects since highschool math is kinda intuitive (and i didn't give a shit about other subjects, i put in enough effort to not fail and not an ounce more), but you know how it goes, it's a trope - the young prodigy has shit work ethics and by the time he's in uni SUDDENLY stuff doesn't get intuitive anymore and he has to put in effort to learn. that somehow didn't happen to me, i guess because i get super anxious and can't enjoy myself when i know there's work i need to do, and also i am super afraid to fail, but putting in effort to learn is still unpleasant to me, which is why uni math was the bane of me while school math was one of the very few subjects i genuinely enjoyed
brave (unironically). i couldn't imagine switching career paths, i'd be too afraid to fail and also would be gnawed by sunk cost regret to the end of my days probably
ye same here, ppl especially talk to business majors, kinda cringe
"uhh u guys are complaining about having a hard exam? BRO LMAO HOW ABOUT U TAKE ONE CS EXAM BRO THEYRE ALWASY HARD =))) BUSINESS IS SUPER EASY"
same here, it suddenly started one day at school, weeks later everyone was always shaking hands; i agree, its kinda annoying, but it seems like everyone is doing it/used to it so its w/e, i guess theres no way around it
thats a classic
meh, i would feel that way if i were to stop my degree right now and start something else, but i feel like getting into software engineering jobs require a degree as a formal requirement more than anything; im fairly sure that 2 years after my degree (whatever i have done during that time, be it going to school or staying at home and jerking off) with a small portfolio will give me the same job opportunities as right now (even if weird questions might be asked during the interview), thanks though
i guess it is for everyone
imagine having to shake my sweaty hand
imagine being the type of person who thinks doing a handshake just means giving your hand to someone without applying any pressure
^ where are u from? u sounds like my ppl
actually if u dont do any pressure it means u are not like the guy or u are not man enough yet!
3 CLASSIC handshake methods EVERYONE should now:
number 1: sloppy joe - just put your hand forward and let the other person shake it while your stays completely limp
two - "bone crusher" - the harder you squeeze, the manlier you are. your opponent might be thinking he is jsut greeting you, but he just signed up for a competition of life & death of who can break the opponents hand harder - and you always win!
n.3 (three) aka "im a fucking moron and either give the other person like 1/3rd of my hand or pull away as soon as they start shaking my hand so it's not even a handshake it;s who the fuck know what"
number 4 (bonus): "tag team" - you just touch hands for a brief moment. that's the handshake. you're it, go tag another loser, bud!